[ih] Greener computing

[Kevin Bowling]

On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 12:27 PM Toerless Eckert via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Dave:
>
> The sad reality is that older hardware, whether router or PCs uses
> more jule of energy per Megabit. So, in most cases it does pay off energy
> wise to buy recent hardware.
>
> In the leading german home routers, there is even an option to switch
> ports to 100Mbps instead of 1Gbps for energy savings. Alas, the energy
> saving for that is only 20%, so customers have a hard decision point.
>

There is an EEE standard that should be used instead so the user doesn’t
have to worry about such things.


> I would assume that energy saving in PC/router hardware will be something
> users will look a lot more into in the coming years. So there may be
> some good logic to stick to old hardware and hope an upgrade in 3 years
> will be a lot more energy saving than one now.
>
> Btw: If you're interested to discuss more of energy saving in networking,
> then maybe chime in on the "recipe at ietf.org" mailing list, this is an old
> list thart became stale, but a bunch of us at ietf114 felt it was the
> easiest
> available list to discuss energy in networkin related interests (maybe up
> to
> a point where someone in IETF leadership thinks a better/newer list would
> be
> appropriate).
>
> Cheers
>     Toerless
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 01, 2022 at 12:12:42PM -0700, Dave Taht via Internet-history
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 1, 2022 at 11:51 AM Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond via
> > Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 01/09/2022 18:41, Bob Purvy wrote:
> > > > I think by the 90s he's on a PC, but I haven't really said anywhere.
> > > > Definitely he's gotta try those AOL coasters.
> > >
> > > Remember it was floppy 3 1/2 in disks first which were terrible as
> > > coasters, only to become more useful when they switched to CDs. That
> > > being said I really hope these ended up somehow elsewhere than in a
> > > landfill as so many were produced - see
> > >
> https://nowiknow.com/remember-all-those-aol-cds-there-were-more-than-you-think/
> > >
> > > I wonder how that kind of production would fare in today's
> > > environmentally conscious world....
> >
> > I kind of feel that way about home routers. There are easily 10x more
> > of those than are turned on, that could be upgraded to open firmware,
> > enabled with ipv6, bufferbloat fixed, made more reliable and secure.
> > Instead they languish in junk bins or landfills. I keep hoping to find
> > a charitably suited VC (hah!) willing to back this concept:
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T21on7g1MqQZoK91epUdxLYFGdtyLRgBat0VXoC9e3I/edit
> >
> > With the current supply chain problems everywhere, perhaps people will
> > relearn how to be frugal.
> >
> > Recently an ISP I work with reflashed 700 "obsolete" mikrotik
> > wireless-n routers to current openwrt and is giving them away as meshy
> > APs. These are well built, and with current software, remain useful
> > for another decade, at least.
> >
> > I haven't bought a "new" computer in years. Desktops (with enough ram)
> > got good enough for me a decade ago.
> >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Olivier
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