[ih] SMTP History

[Jack Haverty]

OMG!  Perhaps that was an early prototype AI-powered ARPA autonomous 
drone in human robotic form that somehow managed to escape from 
Arlington and fly to Boston and attend that meeting.
Jack
(well it's close to April 1....)

On 3/28/22 20:25, Steve Crocker wrote:
> I don’t recall giving instructions about adding mail to ftp.  Could 
> have happened, but I don’t recall it.
>
> Steve
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:23 PM vinton cerf via Internet-history 
> <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>     steve was at arpa 1971-1974 but he focused then on AI.
>     while at UCLA from 1968?-1971 he was the head of the Network
>     Working Group
>     and in that role had much to say about where we were headed.
>
>     v
>
>
>     On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 11:08 PM Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
>     internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>     > Interesting.   Do you remember... Was Steve an ARPA Program
>     Manager at
>     > the time?  I.e., was adding mail to FTP an order or a
>     suggestion?   Did
>     > he say anything about why Mail had to be in FTP? Were there any FTP
>     > implementations already functional with some form of MAIL command
>     > implemented that Steve wanted to become ubiquitous?  /Jack
>     >
>     > On 3/28/22 14:50, John Day wrote:
>     > > MAIL and MLFL were added at the last minute of the FTP meeting
>     at BBN in
>     > March 1973.
>     > >
>     > > We were about to wrap up the meeting when Steve Crocker came
>     in and said
>     > we have to have a Mail in FTP. So we did it.
>     > >
>     > > That was the same meeting at which in response to the question
>     what
>     > happens when one stores a file with a BYTE size of 23 and
>     RETRieves it with
>     > a BYTE size of 17? Padlipsky said, “Sometimes when changing
>     oranges into
>     > apples one gets lemons.” And it was immediately decided that was the
>     > correct response. Good ol’ MAP.  ;-)
>     > >
>     > > John
>     > >
>     > >> On Mar 28, 2022, at 17:24, Dave Crocker via Internet-history <
>     > internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>     > >>
>     > >> On 3/28/2022 2:07 PM, Jack Haverty via Internet-history wrote:
>     > >>> There are artifacts in the RFCs capturing some of the early
>     work. FTP
>     > began circa 1971 with RFC172.  At the same time, there was
>     discussion of a
>     > "Mail Box Protocol" intended to enable functions like remote
>     printing as a
>     > way of sending something to someone else over the ARPANET.   You
>     just send
>     > it to their printer.   See RFCs 196, 221.
>     > >>> At first, FTP added a "MAIL <user>" command, which each machine
>     > receiving such MAIL could process as it saw fit.  Print it out.
>     > >>
>     > >> RFC 354 (July 1972 and edited by Abhay Bhushan) does not
>     contain the
>     > string 'mail'.
>     > >>
>     > >> RFC 475 (March, 1973 and edited by Abhay Bhushan) discusses
>     FTP's MAIL
>     > and MLFL commands. It is a meeting report discussing agreement
>     to create
>     > those commands.
>     > >>
>     > >> RFC 542 (August 1973 and edited by Nancy Neigus) does not
>     contain the
>     > string 'mail'.
>     > >>
>     > >> RFC 765 (Aug, 1973 and edit by Jon Postel) does. But while is
>     cites a
>     > mail command, it does not specify it.
>     > >>
>     > >>
>     > >> d/
>     > >>
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