[ih] QUIC story

[Andrew G. Malis]

Brian,

Yeah, back then the joke was that McQuillan was the only one making money
from ATM. :-) That did change in a big way (for a while) in the last 90s
and early 2000s, before router silicon caught up.

Cheers,
Andy


On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:55 PM Brian E Carpenter via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Three points:
>
> 1) It was way beyond an "academic experiment" by 1988/89, IMHO. When IBM
> funded the first transatlantic T1 in 1990, it was already a production
> network for the academic and research community. In fact, that's exactly
> why the NSFnet AUP existed, and why IBM threw in substantial funding
> for the T1.
>
> 2) When was the fuss about registering 3com.com? It wasn't so much the
> issue of a domain starting with a digit, but the issue of a domain
> being equal to a trademark that was controversial, I think. Anyway,
> it was a sign of the times.
>
> 3) In the anecdote department, I recall taking a day off from my first
> IETF meeting in 1992 (#25, in D.C.) to go across town to attend a one-day
> McQuillan conference (on ATM??). The funny thing was that almost all the
> speakers wearing suits were people I'd seen the day before at the IETF in
> jeans and T-shirts.
>
> Regards
>     Brian Carpenter
>
> On 26-Jun-22 03:38, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > Agreed, that is my recollection as well when I got remotely involved in
> the
> > mid 80's/early 90's. There was in fact some aversion to having vendors
> > participate in meetings, I believe on our side some of that sentiment was
> > partially driven by NSF's AUP and that the Internet was mostly an
> academic
> > experiment.
> >
> > -J
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 7:30 AM Dave Crocker via Internet-history <
> > internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/25/2022 5:11 AM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
> >>> I'm not sure where you get your information from, but vendors have been
> >>> deeply involved since the early days of the Internet, even ARPANet,
> BBN,
> >>> Cisco, DEC, etc, were private companies and "vendors" since their
> >> inception
> >>> and there has been a constant participation from companies and services
> >>> providers for very long time.
> >>
> >>
> >> There was something of a milestone, in this regard, around 1987. Prior
> >> to that, vendor participation was from a strongly-linked relationship to
> >> am Arpanet/Internet research contractors, or even from aDirect
> >> government contract  Permission-by-association, if you will.
> >>
> >> After that, random commercial representatives were permitted to attend
> >> IETF meetings.
> >>
> >> Not the sort of thing to add to a resume, but I turned out to be the
> >> test case that produced this change.
> >>
> >> I was working for a company that produced after-market TCP/IP stacks.
> >> We had no direct involvement in any Internet R&D. Just a company selling
> >> its wares.  Given how rapidly Internet tech was changing at that time, I
> >> wanted us attending IETF meetings.
> >>
> >> The IETF initially rejected the request, but I pressed.  Much discussion
> >> ensured, and I believe the decisive comment was Bob Braden's that was
> >> along the lines of "come on folks, it's Dave, and we know him."
> >>
> >> This was utterly irrelevant logic, but apparently swayed IETF folk
> >> enough for permission to be granted.  So I got to attend.  By the
> >> meeting after that, the floodgates were fully opened, with other vendors
> >> attending.
> >>
> >> In spite of compelling reasons to motivate one, I remain steadfastly
> >> unapologetic...
> >>
> >>
> >> d/
> >>
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