[ih] QUIC story

[Brian E Carpenter]

Three points:

1) It was way beyond an "academic experiment" by 1988/89, IMHO. When IBM
funded the first transatlantic T1 in 1990, it was already a production
network for the academic and research community. In fact, that's exactly
why the NSFnet AUP existed, and why IBM threw in substantial funding
for the T1.

2) When was the fuss about registering 3com.com? It wasn't so much the
issue of a domain starting with a digit, but the issue of a domain
being equal to a trademark that was controversial, I think. Anyway,
it was a sign of the times.

3) In the anecdote department, I recall taking a day off from my first
IETF meeting in 1992 (#25, in D.C.) to go across town to attend a one-day
McQuillan conference (on ATM??). The funny thing was that almost all the
speakers wearing suits were people I'd seen the day before at the IETF in
jeans and T-shirts.

Regards
    Brian Carpenter

On 26-Jun-22 03:38, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> Agreed, that is my recollection as well when I got remotely involved in the
> mid 80's/early 90's. There was in fact some aversion to having vendors
> participate in meetings, I believe on our side some of that sentiment was
> partially driven by NSF's AUP and that the Internet was mostly an academic
> experiment.
> 
> -J
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 7:30 AM Dave Crocker via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/25/2022 5:11 AM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
>>> I'm not sure where you get your information from, but vendors have been
>>> deeply involved since the early days of the Internet, even ARPANet, BBN,
>>> Cisco, DEC, etc, were private companies and "vendors" since their
>> inception
>>> and there has been a constant participation from companies and services
>>> providers for very long time.
>>
>>
>> There was something of a milestone, in this regard, around 1987. Prior
>> to that, vendor participation was from a strongly-linked relationship to
>> am Arpanet/Internet research contractors, or even from aDirect
>> government contract  Permission-by-association, if you will.
>>
>> After that, random commercial representatives were permitted to attend
>> IETF meetings.
>>
>> Not the sort of thing to add to a resume, but I turned out to be the
>> test case that produced this change.
>>
>> I was working for a company that produced after-market TCP/IP stacks.
>> We had no direct involvement in any Internet R&D. Just a company selling
>> its wares.  Given how rapidly Internet tech was changing at that time, I
>> wanted us attending IETF meetings.
>>
>> The IETF initially rejected the request, but I pressed.  Much discussion
>> ensured, and I believe the decisive comment was Bob Braden's that was
>> along the lines of "come on folks, it's Dave, and we know him."
>>
>> This was utterly irrelevant logic, but apparently swayed IETF folk
>> enough for permission to be granted.  So I got to attend.  By the
>> meeting after that, the floodgates were fully opened, with other vendors
>> attending.
>>
>> In spite of compelling reasons to motivate one, I remain steadfastly
>> unapologetic...
>>
>>
>> d/
>>
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