[ih] QUIC story

[Barbara Denny]

 I should have thought of Mike immediately!  Big error on my part!! I should have been more specific as I was working with people from CECOM/Fort Monmouth.
barbara 

    On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 01:17:58 PM PDT, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:  
 
 counterexamples:https://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/bio-long.html

also see Mike St. Johns 
https://www.ietfjournal.org/interview-with-mike-st-johnes-director-network-implementation-strategies-nominet/

v

On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:10 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

 I guess I will mention in the late 80s, maybe early 90s,  even the Army had some interest in understanding and perhaps participating in the IETF.  Besides discussing the IETF, I brought at least one person, probably two, to an IETF meeting so they could see for themselves what went on.  As far as I know they didn't become participants for any length of time. I certainly didn't get any additional contact funds to do more in this regard.
barbara 
    On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 12:30:27 PM PDT, Dave Crocker via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:  

 On 6/25/2022 5:11 AM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
> I'm not sure where you get your information from, but vendors have been
> deeply involved since the early days of the Internet, even ARPANet, BBN,
> Cisco, DEC, etc, were private companies and "vendors" since their inception
> and there has been a constant participation from companies and services
> providers for very long time.


There was something of a milestone, in this regard, around 1987. Prior 
to that, vendor participation was from a strongly-linked relationship to 
am Arpanet/Internet research contractors, or even from aDirect 
government contract  Permission-by-association, if you will.

After that, random commercial representatives were permitted to attend 
IETF meetings.

Not the sort of thing to add to a resume, but I turned out to be the 
test case that produced this change.

I was working for a company that produced after-market TCP/IP stacks.  
We had no direct involvement in any Internet R&D. Just a company selling 
its wares.  Given how rapidly Internet tech was changing at that time, I 
wanted us attending IETF meetings.

The IETF initially rejected the request, but I pressed.  Much discussion 
ensured, and I believe the decisive comment was Bob Braden's that was 
along the lines of "come on folks, it's Dave, and we know him."

This was utterly irrelevant logic, but apparently swayed IETF folk 
enough for permission to be granted.  So I got to attend.  By the 
meeting after that, the floodgates were fully opened, with other vendors 
attending.

In spite of compelling reasons to motivate one, I remain steadfastly 
unapologetic...


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