[ih] QUIC story

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counterexamples:
https://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/bio-long.html

also see Mike St. Johns

https://www.ietfjournal.org/interview-with-mike-st-johnes-director-network-implementation-strategies-nominet/

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On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 4:10 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

>  I guess I will mention in the late 80s, maybe early 90s,  even the Army
> had some interest in understanding and perhaps participating in the IETF.
> Besides discussing the IETF, I brought at least one person, probably two,
> to an IETF meeting so they could see for themselves what went on.  As far
> as I know they didn't become participants for any length of time. I
> certainly didn't get any additional contact funds to do more in this regard.
> barbara
>     On Saturday, June 25, 2022, 12:30:27 PM PDT, Dave Crocker via
> Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>  On 6/25/2022 5:11 AM, Jorge Amodio via Internet-history wrote:
> > I'm not sure where you get your information from, but vendors have been
> > deeply involved since the early days of the Internet, even ARPANet, BBN,
> > Cisco, DEC, etc, were private companies and "vendors" since their
> inception
> > and there has been a constant participation from companies and services
> > providers for very long time.
>
>
> There was something of a milestone, in this regard, around 1987. Prior
> to that, vendor participation was from a strongly-linked relationship to
> am Arpanet/Internet research contractors, or even from aDirect
> government contract  Permission-by-association, if you will.
>
> After that, random commercial representatives were permitted to attend
> IETF meetings.
>
> Not the sort of thing to add to a resume, but I turned out to be the
> test case that produced this change.
>
> I was working for a company that produced after-market TCP/IP stacks.
> We had no direct involvement in any Internet R&D. Just a company selling
> its wares.  Given how rapidly Internet tech was changing at that time, I
> wanted us attending IETF meetings.
>
> The IETF initially rejected the request, but I pressed.  Much discussion
> ensured, and I believe the decisive comment was Bob Braden's that was
> along the lines of "come on folks, it's Dave, and we know him."
>
> This was utterly irrelevant logic, but apparently swayed IETF folk
> enough for permission to be granted.  So I got to attend.  By the
> meeting after that, the floodgates were fully opened, with other vendors
> attending.
>
> In spite of compelling reasons to motivate one, I remain steadfastly
> unapologetic...
>
>
> d/
>
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