[ih] QUIC story

[vinton cerf]

I am reasonably sure that Google has been involved in IETF since my arrival
in 2005 and probably before that.
Googlers have served in senior roles (e.g. Warren Kumari as co-director of
the operations and Management area and IESG Liaison to IAB; former Googler
Erik Kline as co-director in the Internet Area; former Googler Ted Hardie
was chair of the IAB for some time and now is chair of ISOC). There are
many more.

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 3:59 PM Andrew G. Malis via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Barbara,
>
> Google has been at the IETF for quite some time (since at least July 2010),
> so it's possible that the person you spoke to just wasn't personally aware.
> Do you remember when you were at that presentation? In the IETF, the QUIC
> work started as a BOF in July 2016 and first met as a WG that November.
> They published RFC 9000, the QUIC transport protocol spec, about a year
> ago, and very recently published RFC 9114, the HTTP/3 spec. They have a lot
> else going on as well, see https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/quic/documents/
> .
>
> BTW, Google may have been coming even earlier to the IETF, but for some
> reason the IETF's attendee records prior to July 2010 are offline. I'm
> going to bring that to their attention.
>
> More widely to your question about how new people come aboard, the IETF is
> VERY well known in the networking/telecom industry, since any
> equipment vendors that want to implement anything in the space have to
> conform to the RFCs. So vendors certainly are proactive about sending
> people if they have anything they want to get standardized, or just to
> understand what's going on. Network operators not so much; some come, but
> many tend to proxy through their vendors to save money. But they're
> certainly aware of the work, since they have to write RFPs that include the
> RFCs they want their equipment to implement.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 2:28 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I have been wondering for quite sometime how new people to the field
> learn
> > about how to incorporate their ideas.  Is there some active outreach to
> > encourage corporations to engage in the IETF? How do their employees, or
> > even students, learn about such things? Etc.... I predate the IETF so my
> > experience is very different than people today.
> > This is tied into a story about QUIC.  For many years I attended talks
> > hosted by the Bay Area ACM.  The topics were always a mix of things but
> > almost never anything to do with networking.  I was pleasantly surprised
> > when someone started to present information on a transport protocol
> called
> > QUIC.   Someone from Google gave the presentation. Unfortunately I don't
> > remember the person's name.  At the end of the presentation,  I asked had
> > they approached the IETF regarding what they were doing (I think they had
> > started, or about to start, some real world testing).  Their response
> made
> > me feel like they hadn't done anything in this regard and left me
> wondering
> > whether they were even familiar with the IETF.  I suggested they consider
> > starting a dialogue with the transport area.
> > barbara
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