[ih] QUIC story

[Andrew G. Malis]

Brian,

Thanks for the info on Alia being the first Google attendee. I worked
more closely with her during her days at Avici and Juniper (and now Google
again).

Regarding the proceedings, check out, for example,
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/ and try to get the attendee list. I
end up at https://www.ietf.org/registration/ietf78/onsiteattendance.py ,
which has a 404 code. I've alerted the Secretariat.

Cheers,
Andy


On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 5:45 PM Brian E Carpenter <
brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com> wrote:

> Andy,
>
> The older IETF attendee records are in the proceedings, linked from
> https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/past/
>
> The first registered Google attendee, I believe, was Alia Atlas
> at IETF 63 in July 2005. After that, their attendance steadily
> increased.
>
> Regards
>     Brian Carpenter
>
> On 25-Jun-22 07:59, Andrew G. Malis via Internet-history wrote:
> > Barbara,
> >
> > Google has been at the IETF for quite some time (since at least July
> 2010),
> > so it's possible that the person you spoke to just wasn't personally
> aware.
> > Do you remember when you were at that presentation? In the IETF, the QUIC
> > work started as a BOF in July 2016 and first met as a WG that November.
> > They published RFC 9000, the QUIC transport protocol spec, about a year
> > ago, and very recently published RFC 9114, the HTTP/3 spec. They have a
> lot
> > else going on as well, see
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/quic/documents/ .
> >
> > BTW, Google may have been coming even earlier to the IETF, but for some
> > reason the IETF's attendee records prior to July 2010 are offline. I'm
> > going to bring that to their attention.
> >
> > More widely to your question about how new people come aboard, the IETF
> is
> > VERY well known in the networking/telecom industry, since any
> > equipment vendors that want to implement anything in the space have to
> > conform to the RFCs. So vendors certainly are proactive about sending
> > people if they have anything they want to get standardized, or just to
> > understand what's going on. Network operators not so much; some come, but
> > many tend to proxy through their vendors to save money. But they're
> > certainly aware of the work, since they have to write RFPs that include
> the
> > RFCs they want their equipment to implement.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 2:28 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <
> > internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >> I have been wondering for quite sometime how new people to the field
> learn
> >> about how to incorporate their ideas.  Is there some active outreach to
> >> encourage corporations to engage in the IETF? How do their employees, or
> >> even students, learn about such things? Etc.... I predate the IETF so my
> >> experience is very different than people today.
> >> This is tied into a story about QUIC.  For many years I attended talks
> >> hosted by the Bay Area ACM.  The topics were always a mix of things but
> >> almost never anything to do with networking.  I was pleasantly surprised
> >> when someone started to present information on a transport protocol
> called
> >> QUIC.   Someone from Google gave the presentation. Unfortunately I don't
> >> remember the person's name.  At the end of the presentation,  I asked
> had
> >> they approached the IETF regarding what they were doing (I think they
> had
> >> started, or about to start, some real world testing).  Their response
> made
> >> me feel like they hadn't done anything in this regard and left me
> wondering
> >> whether they were even familiar with the IETF.  I suggested they
> consider
> >> starting a dialogue with the transport area.
> >> barbara
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