[ih] Protocol numbers (was IP version 7)

[vinton cerf]

someone else may have already mentioned this but I recall a meeting at
RSRE (Royal Signals and Radar Establishment) at which we went to dinner
with our hosts and Frank Deckelman won at skittles for the US contingent!

v


On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 1:45 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

>  Thanks for this email!  It is ringing more bells.  Maybe I will remember
> more later.  The name Frank Deckelman sounds familiar.
> SRI also deployed equipment on the USS Carl Vinson for some work we had
> done.  The navy even hosted a tour of the ship for a few of us from SRI.
> It was a great! I don't think many women got an opportunity to go on board
> at that time.
> barbara
>     On Thursday, December 24, 2020, 10:26:32 AM PST, Jack Haverty via
> Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>  MATNET was a satellite-based network, essentially a ship-based clone of
> the land-based SATNET which was one of the earliest "core" networks of
> the Internet.  Both involved IMPs (actually "SIMPS" for Satellite IMP),
> with the MATNET nodes onboard ships.
>
> Frank Deckelman was the Navy rep (and funnel for the money) for MATNET.
> I remember that we put a MATNET node on the aircraft carrier USS Carl
> Vinson, which was the Navy's test site for new technology at the time.
> Frank participated in Internet-related meetings, and even brought the
> Captain of the Carl Vinson to one.   This was part of ARPA's "technology
> transfer" -- it was a full duplex communications mechanism, sending
> technology into military use, and receiving $s from the Navy to fund
> continued research.
>
> I also don't recall the term "METANET" at all.   But I do recall that
> Frank had a need for a "Shipboard LAN" and had us (BBN) start
> investigating that.   IIRC, it was an obvious next step to provide a way
> to hook up shipboard computers to the shipboard MATNET node.   Ken
> Pogran may remember more.
>
> At about that time (mid-1983) BBN reorganized and I lost contact with
> the Navy projects.  I don't know, but I suspect METANET may have been a
> follow-on project to MATNET, to create LAN and Internet technology
> suitable for shipboard operation (e.g., operating under EMCOM
> conditions).   Probably also involved Frank Deckelman.
>
> Vint - you had probably moved on to MCI, and I had moved on to the
> "operational" arena of DDN et al, so "METANET" isn't in our memories.
>
> /Jack Haverty
>
> On 12/24/20 6:52 AM, Vint Cerf via Internet-history wrote:
> > was there any relationship between METANET (which I do not remember) and
> > MATNET (which I do remember)?
> >
> > v
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM Craig Partridge via Internet-history <
> > internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <
> >> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  I will throw out a guess about the mystery EMCON protocol number
> >>> assignment.  It might be related to SRI's work for the Navy. We had a
> >>> project called  Metanet that was looking at how to support TCP/IP
> >>> networking when ships were under emission control.  In 1984, I gave a
> >>> presentation about the work at a Gateway Special Interest Group Meeting
> >>> hosted by Jon Postel at ISI (see RFC 898).  I don't remember us asking
> >> for
> >>> a protocol number yet but we could have. I also wonder if Jon may have
> >>> created a placeholder for us. I was working on the Ada implementation
> of
> >>> the gateway at that point in time.  I don't think we had the EMCON
> >> details
> >>> worked out yet.  The project got cancelled unexpectedly and on short
> >> notice
> >>> due to a change in personnel if I remember correctly.
> >>> barbara
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hey Barbara:
> >>
> >> I didn't know you worked on METANET! That was my first project as a new
> >> employee at BBN in 1983.  The job on the BBN side was to figure out if
> >> different network topologies worked more or less well for shipboard
> command
> >> centers.  As I recall, Ken Pogran was the initial PM and got TCP/IP
> working
> >> on a bus network (Ungermann-Bass?) and then transitioned to something
> else,
> >> so Ben Woznick took over and I was hired to get TCP/IP working on the
> 80MB
> >> Proteon Ring. That was grand fun.  Rick Adams at Seismo also had a
> Proteon
> >> Ring and I gave him my driver for his network.  And I swapped email for
> the
> >> first time with Noel Chiappa -- as I recall, I was using another
> >> Proteon network interface driver for guidance and its comments noted
> that
> >> an old version of some Proteon board had a real halt and catch fire
> feature
> >> (if you set the initialization word wrong, smoke happened) and Noel
> >> observed that the comment was no longer valid. And I had the fastest
> >> network in Cambridge all to myself (but, alas, had nothing much to run
> on
> >> it).
> >>
> >> Craig
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