[ih] Protocol numbers (was IP version 7)

[Barbara Denny]

 Thanks for this email!  It is ringing more bells.  Maybe I will remember more later.  The name Frank Deckelman sounds familiar.
SRI also deployed equipment on the USS Carl Vinson for some work we had done.  The navy even hosted a tour of the ship for a few of us from SRI.  It was a great! I don't think many women got an opportunity to go on board at that time.
barbara
    On Thursday, December 24, 2020, 10:26:32 AM PST, Jack Haverty via Internet-history <internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:  
 
 MATNET was a satellite-based network, essentially a ship-based clone of
the land-based SATNET which was one of the earliest "core" networks of
the Internet.  Both involved IMPs (actually "SIMPS" for Satellite IMP),
with the MATNET nodes onboard ships.

Frank Deckelman was the Navy rep (and funnel for the money) for MATNET. 
I remember that we put a MATNET node on the aircraft carrier USS Carl
Vinson, which was the Navy's test site for new technology at the time. 
Frank participated in Internet-related meetings, and even brought the
Captain of the Carl Vinson to one.   This was part of ARPA's "technology
transfer" -- it was a full duplex communications mechanism, sending
technology into military use, and receiving $s from the Navy to fund
continued research.

I also don't recall the term "METANET" at all.   But I do recall that
Frank had a need for a "Shipboard LAN" and had us (BBN) start
investigating that.   IIRC, it was an obvious next step to provide a way
to hook up shipboard computers to the shipboard MATNET node.   Ken
Pogran may remember more.

At about that time (mid-1983) BBN reorganized and I lost contact with
the Navy projects.  I don't know, but I suspect METANET may have been a
follow-on project to MATNET, to create LAN and Internet technology
suitable for shipboard operation (e.g., operating under EMCOM
conditions).   Probably also involved Frank Deckelman.

Vint - you had probably moved on to MCI, and I had moved on to the
"operational" arena of DDN et al, so "METANET" isn't in our memories.

/Jack Haverty

On 12/24/20 6:52 AM, Vint Cerf via Internet-history wrote:
> was there any relationship between METANET (which I do not remember) and
> MATNET (which I do remember)?
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> On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM Craig Partridge via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 7:09 PM Barbara Denny via Internet-history <
>> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
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>>>  I will throw out a guess about the mystery EMCON protocol number
>>> assignment.  It might be related to SRI's work for the Navy. We had a
>>> project called  Metanet that was looking at how to support TCP/IP
>>> networking when ships were under emission control.  In 1984, I gave a
>>> presentation about the work at a Gateway Special Interest Group Meeting
>>> hosted by Jon Postel at ISI (see RFC 898).  I don't remember us asking
>> for
>>> a protocol number yet but we could have. I also wonder if Jon may have
>>> created a placeholder for us. I was working on the Ada implementation of
>>> the gateway at that point in time.  I don't think we had the EMCON
>> details
>>> worked out yet.  The project got cancelled unexpectedly and on short
>> notice
>>> due to a change in personnel if I remember correctly.
>>> barbara
>>>
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>> Hey Barbara:
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>> I didn't know you worked on METANET! That was my first project as a new
>> employee at BBN in 1983.  The job on the BBN side was to figure out if
>> different network topologies worked more or less well for shipboard command
>> centers.  As I recall, Ken Pogran was the initial PM and got TCP/IP working
>> on a bus network (Ungermann-Bass?) and then transitioned to something else,
>> so Ben Woznick took over and I was hired to get TCP/IP working on the 80MB
>> Proteon Ring. That was grand fun.  Rick Adams at Seismo also had a Proteon
>> Ring and I gave him my driver for his network.  And I swapped email for the
>> first time with Noel Chiappa -- as I recall, I was using another
>> Proteon network interface driver for guidance and its comments noted that
>> an old version of some Proteon board had a real halt and catch fire feature
>> (if you set the initialization word wrong, smoke happened) and Noel
>> observed that the comment was no longer valid. And I had the fastest
>> network in Cambridge all to myself (but, alas, had nothing much to run on
>> it).
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>> Craig
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