[ih] Internet/Wireless Principle of Levelness

[the keyboard of geoff goodfellow]

Dan & Jack: am curious to know WHAT kind (Cable, DSL, Fiber, ...?) of
Internet connections y'all have and from WHICH providers?

pretty clear/sure neither of you have satellite (as yours truly dose here
on The Big Island for backup when the "primary" cable Spectrum
"service" *reliably
goes out* -- almost monthly -- so far twice already this month and once
last month :-/) at which time even a 700-1000 ms latency over the satellite
link is Most Welcomed! :D

geoff

On Mon, Nov 11, 2019 at 10:50 AM Dan Lynch via Internet-history <
internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Or you could have just used a kid. 15 or so years ago I had a 12 year old
> son who bounced back and forth between the home in the Napa Valley and the
> one in Los Altos. We had T1 service at both places (hot stuff in those
> days) and he was a gamer,of course.  He could/would not play certain games
> in Napa because the latency was over 30 ms!  Not so in Los Altos. He knew.
> And yes, for a twitchy kid 30 ms was everything.
>
> As for TV service up here I have 50 megabit service and it is excellent
> except for the occasional glitch like Jack described. And it may persist
> for a few minutes, then goes away for days. I tried calling to complain a
> few years ago, but nobody home.....  We have won?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
> Cell 650-776-7313
>
> > On Nov 11, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
> internet-history at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/11/19 8:31 AM, Dave Taht via Internet-history wrote:
> >
> >> And - of course! it's got the "deep buffers" providers require.
> >
> > I'm just a User now.  Just last year I helped a friend, another User,
> > figure out why his "gaming" app, which depends on interactive behavior
> > across the net, was sometimes unusable.  I was curious, since I also
> > sometimes see visual and audio artifacts on streaming TV content, making
> > TV sometimes similarly unusable, even though I have 150+ Mb/sec internet
> > service.   We Users tend to think "Oh, the net's broken again, they're
> > probably working on fixing it".
> >
> > Using the ancient network management tools, we tracked the cause down to
> > latency.  The typical latency we measured across the net was 100 msec or
> > less.  But occasionally it would jump to several seconds and stay there
> > for a while.   I was surprised to see that zero packets were being lost,
> > but many were delayed as much as 30 seconds.  Without the ability to dig
> > inside the boxes, I can only speculate that such behavior at the IP
> > level was what made the gaming app unusable, and could cause those
> > artifacts I see in my TV video and audio.
> >
> > My friend tried complaining to his ISPs' tech support, but they all said
> > their service was working fine.  Perhaps that is a consequence of the
> > "Levelness" that now makes Users' applications involve many different
> > service and equipment providers?
> >
> > Is this latency how Users now see the effects of those "deep buffers"?
> > Why would providers require a feature that makes their customers
> > unhappy.....?
> >
> > I'm still just being curious about the History of the Internet,
> > especially how its service evolved -- as seen by the Users.
> >
> > /Jack
> >
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