[ih] Internet or internet i

[Vint Cerf]

CNRI fought a 10 year battle over the use of the term "Internet" - the MOST
ATM system got a trademark on "Internet" somewhere around 1988/1990
(guessing) and I discovered that while I was VP at CNRI. Bob Kahn's wife,
Patrice, is a copyright attorney and fought over this misappropriation that
was aided by a clueless trademark office. After 10 years and $100K
underwritten by CNRI, the Trademark Tribunal agreed that the term
"Internet" had to refer to the global network we have all built. The bank
group that trademarked the term did not use it to refer to their ATM system
(which they called MOST) -I think they only used in to refer to their
newsletter or something. Copying Bob K and Patrice L to repair any damage I
may have done to facts.

vint


On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:23 PM Joe Touch <touch at strayalpha.com> wrote:

> FYI - this was an issue a long time ago, when a banking company claimed
> ownership of the word for their ATM (money, not cells) system. There was
> some deal with the ISOC, but I don’t recall the details.
>
> I still use Internet to refer to the one that uses IANA-assigned addresses
> and ICANN-coordinated DNS. Everything else that uses IP protocols is - to
> me - an internet, and always will be.
>
> I do understand that the associated press don’t understand the difference,
> but that IMO just makes them both ignorant and wrong, not right.
>
> Joe
>
> On Mar 11, 2019, at 11:50 AM, Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org> wrote:
>
> Perhaps there are legal aspects involved?  The word "internet" is a noun,
> but "Internet" is a proper noun.   Is "Internet" trademarked, or
> copyrighted, or protected by such legal means -- somewhere in the world?
>
> I suspect there are zillions of things like patent documents with
> "internet" and/or "Internet" in them, fodder for lawyers and courts to
> argue about for decades.
>
> You wouldn't believe how many hours I spent as an expert
> witness/consultant just arguing about the definitions of "program" and
> "reprogram", what exactly the difference was, and how the definitions
> changed over time and contexts.
>
> I wonder when we'll see facebooks as well as Facebook, and why not The
> Facebook?
>
> /Jack
>
>
> On 3/11/19 10:27 AM, Vint Cerf wrote:
>
> I am in agreement with John D on this - also Associated Press has chosen
> to cease making the distinction.
> i suppose only engineers who understand that the "private internet" need
> not be part of the public one
> and still use the same protocols (and address space!) will be offended (I
> admit, I am one of them).
>
> v
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:06 AM John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> But I think Noel’s distinction still holds with the public internet being
>> “Internet” and all others or the concept in general being ‘internet’.
>>
>> The problem is the New York Times has decided that ‘Internet’ is spelled
>> ‘internet’.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2019, at 10:07, Scott Brim <scott.brim at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Noel: all true, but it's over. It's not ours to call anymore.
>>
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