[ih] When did "32" bits for IP register as "not enough"?

[Vint Cerf]

most of us were just students or academics.
v

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 3:14 PM Richard Bennett <richard at bennett.com> wrote:

> TCP/IP had an army, but OSI had nothing but civilians. It never was a fair
> fight.
>
> On Feb 16, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Brian E Carpenter <
> brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 2019-02-17 02:03, Michael Kjörling wrote:
>
> On 15 Feb 2019 16:29 -0500, from vint at google.com (Vint Cerf):
>
> 6. MOSAIC hits about 1993 followed by Netscape Communications and its IPO.
>
>
> I'm curious about this point of yours. Why do you say that this was an
> important deciding factor in the choice between OSI vs TCP/IP, or in
> the commercialization of TCP/IP over OSI?
>
> I'm not saying that the Web was unimportant -- it absolutely was, and
> is (just look at how many people think that the Internet _is_ the
> World Wide Web) -- but is there something about the protocols which
> makes it much easier to run HTTP over TCP/IP than over OSI?
>
>
> At the relevant time (1991, when the first line-mode web browser was
> developed, along with HTTP itself) the only general-purpose substrate
> that Tim Berners-Lee, Robert Cailliau and Nicola Pellow found at their
> disposal was TCP/IP. So most simply put, they had no choice. Running
> HTTP over OSI was never an option in the real world.
>
> fwiw, it was by then two years after the rant** which marked my own
> epiphany. Tim, Robert and Nicola were just users...
>
>   Brian
>
> ** B.E. Carpenter, Is OSI Too Late?, RARE Networkshop 1989, Computer
> Networks and ISDN Systems, 17 (1989) 284-286, DOI
> 10.1016/0169-7552(89)90040-8
>
>
> Or was it
> just the fact that by the time the Web came about, the world was
> somewhat firmly established in the TCP/IP camp and so it became a
> natural choice to focus on running HTTP over TCP/IP?
>
> I'll readily admit that my knowledge of the OSI stack is limited at
> best.
>
>
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