<div dir="ltr">most of us were just students or academics.<div>v</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 3:14 PM Richard Bennett <<a href="mailto:richard@bennett.com">richard@bennett.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">TCP/IP had an army, but OSI had nothing but civilians. It never was a fair fight. <br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Feb 16, 2019, at 12:36 PM, Brian E Carpenter <<a href="mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com" target="_blank">brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-1666421053449458774Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>On 2019-02-17 02:03, Michael Kjörling wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On 15 Feb 2019 16:29 -0500, from <a href="mailto:vint@google.com" target="_blank">vint@google.com</a> (Vint Cerf):<br><blockquote type="cite">6. MOSAIC hits about 1993 followed by Netscape Communications and its IPO.<br></blockquote><br>I'm curious about this point of yours. Why do you say that this was an<br>important deciding factor in the choice between OSI vs TCP/IP, or in<br>the commercialization of TCP/IP over OSI?<br><br>I'm not saying that the Web was unimportant -- it absolutely was, and<br>is (just look at how many people think that the Internet _is_ the<br>World Wide Web) -- but is there something about the protocols which<br>makes it much easier to run HTTP over TCP/IP than over OSI?<br></blockquote><br>At the relevant time (1991, when the first line-mode web browser was<br>developed, along with HTTP itself) the only general-purpose substrate<br>that Tim Berners-Lee, Robert Cailliau and Nicola Pellow found at their<br>disposal was TCP/IP. So most simply put, they had no choice. Running<br>HTTP over OSI was never an option in the real world.<br><br>fwiw, it was by then two years after the rant** which marked my own<br>epiphany. Tim, Robert and Nicola were just users...<br><br> Brian<br><br>** B.E. Carpenter, Is OSI Too Late?, RARE Networkshop 1989, Computer Networks and ISDN Systems, 17 (1989) 284-286, DOI 10.1016/0169-7552(89)90040-8<br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">Or was it<br>just the fact that by the time the Web came about, the world was<br>somewhat firmly established in the TCP/IP camp and so it became a<br>natural choice to focus on running HTTP over TCP/IP?<br><br>I'll readily admit that my knowledge of the OSI stack is limited at<br>best.<br><br></blockquote><br><br>_______<br>internet-history mailing list<br><a href="mailto:internet-history@postel.org" target="_blank">internet-history@postel.org</a><br><a href="http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history" target="_blank">http://mailman.postel.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history</a><br>Contact <a href="mailto:list-owner@postel.org" target="_blank">list-owner@postel.org</a> for assistance.<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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