[ih] internet-future mailing list ?
Toerless Eckert via Internet-history
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Mon Dec 16 13:55:43 PST 2019
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 12:14:44PM -0800, Joe Touch wrote:
> I started the latter many years go at ISI to help support a community
> that was somewhat tangential to the end2end-interst list hosted there.
> It took quite a bit if help to get things setup here for that one list.
> The end2end-interest list - where future Internet ideas were previously
> discussed many different times - was shut down due to many years of
Thanks for explaining.
> > I would appreciate if there was such a list for interested parties.
> Others can pursue this if desired, but I won't be leading the charge. As
> noted, the end2end-interest list died out because of many years of
> inactivity. My experience with future Internet discussions is that they
> get overrun by 'flavor of the week' ideas that have infected the NSF and
> DARPA over the years, motivated more by posturing and (self)promotion
> than actual content.
Isn't that a problem incurred by the funding model of most research ?
Create a silo in which you show something novel, publish, move on.
Larger projects funding across multiple organizatoions and years, do improve
things, projects that actually build and run experimental networks even
more. But those organized networks then typically establish their own
> > Especially given how i have seen a lot of postings in internet-history
> > being also good reminder about yet not/badly-resolved issues. Those
> > things will not find the eyes&ears of forward looking internet
> > contributors because many seem to thin there is nothing to be learned
> > from history and would not track an "internet-history" mailing list.
> Agreed, but how would a new list solve that? (see my observation above;
> in some sense, this list exists separate from the other exactly because
> of the different motivations you note)
Well, AFAIK, having a mailing list isn't that much overhead, so i don't
think one needs to overdo expectation management. Not much lost if it
doesn't help the conversation. But then again, there are various ways to
promote discussion on such a list. YOu want me to outline them ?
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