[ih] ISOC Live 12 Streams 4 - Dr. Larry Roberts - 'The ARPANET & Computer Networks'

[Guy Almes]

Joly et al.,
   This is very interesting.  And it reminds me of the tremendous 
contributions that Larry made.

   Just referring to the two "original" videos below, I found the 
second, labelled "ACM" to be fascinating.  Some on the list were 
probably present for that Bay Area ACM meeting on the emerging 
phenomenon of "workstations" as the new big thing.
   In that 1986 context, Larry's talk is all the more interesting both 
for what he emphasized and for what he missed.
   His memories of the late-1950s TX-series machines (his 'personal' 
computers) and particularly of his insights on the evolution of the 
ARPAnet program through the early/mid-1970s struck me as spot on.
   Then there is a fascinating and intelligent discussion of Telenet as 
the "successor" to the ARPAnet, the emergence of X.25 as an 
international standard, and his thoughts on the value of commercial 
packet-switched (but what I took to be virtual-circuit) networks crafted 
to address cutting-edge applications such as image transfer.

   In hindsight at least, it is startling that the Internet is nowhere 
mentioned in his talk.  The only real, but partial, allusion to it comes 
in the Q/A session near the very end.  An audience member I don't know 
referred in his question to the "military standard protocols"; in 
Larry's response I took him to be dismissive of those "military standard 
protocols".  The then-emerging "international standard protocols" seemed 
to be viewed much more positively.
   While Barry Leiner correctly noted that the "international standard 
protocols" had some major missing pieces, he also spoke of them as the 
coming thing.
   I don't think that anyone, either Larry Roberts or any of those in 
the Q/A session, used the word Internet or referred to the "military 
standard protocols" (i.e., TCP/IP), in a positive light.
   Again, this is 1986.
   If I understand things correctly, the debate within the emerging 
NSFnet project about whether to use TCP/IP was contemporary with this 
1986 Bay Area ACM meeting.

   Did I hear this correctly?
   I'd be particularly interested in hearing from anyone who was present 
for the Bay Area ACM meeting.

	-- Guy

The original videos are at
IHOF https://youtu.be/P7Pj1i6e0s4
ACM https://youtu.be/qkD4HVRnGJE

On 12/30/18 02:16, Joly MacFie wrote:
> Apologies to anyone that had problems. No idea where the * came from.
> 
> Apart from livestream there were 2 simulcasts, so we have...
> 
> The original videos are at...
> 
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:33 PM Jack Haverty <jack at 3kitty.org 
> <mailto:jack at 3kitty.org>> wrote:
> 
>     Thanks, but that isn't the problem.  With Firefox, I get to the
>     Livestream site, and it puts up the video window with a frozen frame,
>     stays like that for a few seconds, and then simply says "Video could not
>     load or timed out."  With Chrome, similar behavior but it just sits
>     there forever displaying a spinning circle instead of an error message.
> 
>     Maybe my desktop just can't do Vimeo for some reason.  Wish it had a
>     more helpful error message.
> 
>     /Jack
> 
> 
>     On 12/29/18 5:56 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
>      > Looking the qoted text in your message, there seems to be a redundant
>      > asterisk in the URL. The URL...
>      > worked for me.
>      >
>      > Regards
>      >    Brian
>      >
>      > On 2018-12-30 13:55, Jack Haverty wrote:
>      >> On 12/29/18 3:54 PM, Joly MacFie wrote:
>      >>> *View on Livestream:...
>      >>
>      >> Grmmpphh.... All I get is "Video could not load or timed out", even
>      >> though I'm on a 100 Mb/s Internet connection.
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>      >> Are livestream videos archived somewhere (Youtube?) for posterity?
>      >> /Jack
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