[ih] .UK vs .GB

[Vint Cerf]

does anyone on the list recall the rough dates for the "Colored Book
Protocol" ? Seems possible that these were at least contemporary with DNS
and UCL was confronted with the need to translate between those and the
ARPANET and/or Internet protocols of the time.

v


On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Eric Gade <eric.gade at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also worth noting that in a May 1984 draft of RFC 920 (and a few drafts
> prior to this going back to April), ISO-3166 was *not* specified as a set
> for potential TLDs, but .UK *was* given as an example. In fact, the
> inclusion of UK was used by many participants discussing the draft to argue
> in favor of both a country-based set of TLDs and a more generic set (note
> that these early drafts used .PUB and .COR instead of .COM and .ORG). It
> was sometime between May and July that the ISO list was proposed as the
> ccTLD set.
>
> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:02 AM, John Klensin <jklensin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Nigel, I should (for several reasons) have remembered that
>> comment in RFC 920, but my recollection is still consistent with that
>> document and your list.  That timeline list is, IMO, extremely useful
>> and far more accessible (and, IIR, comprehensive) that the Park
>> dissertation.
>>
>>    john
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Far be it from me to be seen to clarify John's first hand knowledge of
>> > RFC 1591, but it's worth pointing out that the decision to use
>> > ISO-3166-1 was not first documented in RFC 1591, but already in RFC 920
>> > (October 1984) as follows
>> >
>> >> Countries
>> >>
>> >> The English two letter code (alpha-2) identifying a country according
>> the the ISO Standard for "Codes for the Representation of Names of
>> Countries" [5].
>> >>
>> >> As yet no country domains have been established.  As they are
>> established information about the administrators and agents will be made
>> public, and will be listed in subsequent editions of this memo."
>> >>
>> >
>> > Stephen Deerhake and I put together an (as yet unfinished) hyperlinked
>> > timeline of the DNS quite recently. Even though there are some places
>> > where the editing is still a little rough, I think there is some useful
>> > stuff which is not easily accessible otherwise.
>> >
>> > You can find it at http://timeline.as
>> >
>> > It does need a little work, and we need to move it from using TikiWiki
>> > (which seemed like a good idea at the time) to something faster, but
>> > there are some interesting things there...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 04/15/2018 02:13 PM, John Klensin wrote:
>> >>> The only explanation I got orally was that "GB stands for Great
>> Britain, while UK stands for United Kingdom of Great Britain and the
>> Northern Ireland".
>> >>>
>> >>> That was enough for me. Don't even remember who explained it, but it
>> was around the famous entry of .CS into the root zone that created the
>> "interesting" situation with CS.BERKELEY.EDU (and others) and massive
>> weird extra hacking in sendmail.cf due to the Janet "reverse" order of
>> labels in a domain name.
>> >>
>> >> Let me try an even less complicated one, based on what I was told when
>> >> we were evaluating what became the decision to use ISO 3166 alpha-2
>> >> codes:   The country code system started because of a request from the
>> >> UK to be able to manage their own DNS hierarchy rather than depending
>> >> on a US-based organization to manage the TLD.  The ccTLDs are US and
>> >> UK were decided upon (and possibly delegated) before other
>> >> administrative decisions about ccTLDs were made and "UK" was what they
>> >> asked for.
>> >>
>> >> FWIW: (1) While RFC 1591 was not published until 1994, it, for the
>> >> most part, described thinking and procedures that had had been in
>> >> place for years rather than anything of significant that was novel.
>> >> (2) YJ Park, whom some of you may know, tried to sort though all of
>> >> these issues and history while working on her dissertation.  The
>> >> search for answers to questions of this type might reasonably start
>> >> with her and that dissertation.  That should lead to some context and
>> >> references even where she does not have exact answers.
>> >>
>> >>      john
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