[ih] How the Soviet Union Sent Its First Man to the Internet

Fri Jan 1 12:53:15 PST 2016

>What actual physical network did Glasnet use?

I am not sure - but it connected via Nordnet in Sweden (at that stage it 
might have been PNS Sweden)

James Walch in his early book "In the Net" writes about this in detail and 
was personally involved- but apparently the 1990 END (European Nuclear 
Disarmament Conference) was held for the first time in the Soviet bloc, 
(jointly in Tallinn Estonia and Helsinki Finland). Infrastructure was set up 
for this from 1989 with modernisation of the Tallinn exchange. This made it 
easier to connect USSR and the west apparently, without needing a manual 
connection via an exchange operator. So all of USSR could connect to Tallinn 
apparently, and the new infrastructure there allowed setting up a link to 
the rest of the world without anyone knowing an overseas connection had been 
made. Others might know more.

Ian Peter

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Seems like there were a few parallel initiatives underway in late 1980's
early 1990's - the one I remember was Glasnet from 1991

http://www.friends-partners.org/oldfriends/telecomm/nato/zaytsev.html

And its hard to forget the excitement of "The Tanks are coming, The Tanks
are coming" newsgroup entries of August 1991 carried on APC networks at the
time the tanks moved into Red Square.

But yes - as someone mentioned the Tiananmen Square events of June 1989 was
an earlier example of citizen journalism - and worldwide student activism.
Although not many students had internet access, many used telephone links
from around the world to dial in and jam China's "dob in a protester"
hotline set up by the government.

There was also a substantial global network on line of key rainforest
activists and organisations by 1987, with capabilities to organise worldwide
protests.

Ian Peter

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From: John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net>
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;-)  I remember that Russian coup. Hilarious.  What a joke.

For anyone who had read Luttwack?s Coup d?etat: A Practical Handbook, it was 
obvious it would fail from the start.  The last thing you do in a coup is 
take the legislature. It has no power.  I was joking as it collapsed that 
someone should send them copies of the book to read in prison.  ;-)

A decade earlier I had made the same prediction about the Spanish coup 
attempt. A friend ran into my office saying there was coup going on in Spain 
and they had captured the legislature. I looked up from what I was doing and 
said it would fail.  He demurred he wasn?t so sure. I explained why. ;-) 
Sure enough. It sure made Juan Carlos look good.  ;-)

> On Dec 31, 2015, at 17:05, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
>
> Seems like there were a few parallel initiatives underway in late 1980's
> early 1990's - the one I remember was Glasnet from 1991
>
> http://www.friends-partners.org/oldfriends/telecomm/nato/zaytsev.html
>
> And its hard to forget the excitement of "The Tanks are coming, The Tanks
> are coming" newsgroup entries of August 1991 carried on APC networks at 
> the
> time the tanks moved into Red Square.
>
> But yes - as someone mentioned the Tiananmen Square events of June 1989 
> was
> an earlier example of citizen journalism - and worldwide student activism.
> Although not many students had internet access, many used telephone links
> from around the world to dial in and jam China's "dob in a protester"
> hotline set up by the government.
>
> There was also a substantial global network on line of key rainforest
> activists and organisations by 1987, with capabilities to organise 
> worldwide
> protests.
>
> Ian Peter
>
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> Seems like there were a few parallel initiatives underway in late 1980's
> early 1990's - the one I remember was Glasnet from 1991

What actual physical network did Glasnet use?

Julf

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