[ih] Arpanet Directories
Elizabeth Feinler
feinler at earthlink.net
Mon Mar 25 20:58:49 PDT 2013
Bernie Cosell asked whether the Arpanet Directories are available online. I am not aware that they are (but haven't really looked extensively). FYI the Computer History Museum (CHM) in Mountain View, CA has the complete set of Arpanet/DDN Directories, Arpanet Resource Handbooks, and Arpanet/DDN Protocol Handbooks. They were produced by the NIC (except for the first protocol handbook that was compiled by Alex McKenzie at BBN) and are part of the NIC collection that I donated to CHM. We are currently looking for funding to scan some of the more pertinent items in the collection.
Regards,
Jake Feinler
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 12:14:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alex McKenzie <amckenzie3 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Congratulations! -- the "Nobel Prize for
> engineering"!
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> Noel,
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> In an a"anecdote" (not refereed) published in the IEEE Annals of the History of Computing a while back (updated copy available at http://alexmckenzie.weebly.com/inwg-and-the-conception-of-the-internet-an-eyewitness-account.html) I wrote:
>
> At the New York meeting of INWG (International [Packet] Network Working Group) 7-8 June 1973, a small team of engineers with implementation experience in ARPANET (US), Cyclades (F), MERIT (US), and NPL (UK) created a first draft of an International Transmission Protocol (ITP).
>
> Vint Cerf served as the editor of this document, which was distributed as a set of supplements to INWG 28.
> ...
> About a month later, Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn distributed INWG 39, which they described as ?an attempt to collect and integrate the ideas uncovered at the June 1973 INWG meeting in New York, as well as some ideas which have been worked out since that time by various other people.?
>
>
> INWG 39 has been described as the first version of TCP/IP.
>
>
> Bob Kahn asserts that he was unaware of anything that happened at the INWG meeting.? He asserts that he believed that the quotation above was added to the cover page of INWG 39 by Vint, and that he (Bob) believed that it was a boilerplate sentence required on INWG documents.
>
> Cheers,
> Alex
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> From: Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
> To: internet-history at postel.org
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> Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:36 PM
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> I'd be curious to hear from Vint (since I'm not sure this point has been
> explicity addressed) i) how familiar he and Bob Kahn were with the details of
> the CYCLADES work, and ii) how influential it was in their thinking.
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> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 16:51:53 -0400
> From: Vint Cerf <vint at google.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Congratulations! -- the "Nobel Prize for
> engineering"!
> To: Alex McKenzie <amckenzie3 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "internet-history at postel.org" <internet-history at postel.org>, Noel
> Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
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> Louis reinforced my affection for "datagrams" and his flow control window I
> borrowed wholesale for TCP. I have always given credit to Louis for the
> window concept. We altered it to be octet-oriented rather then message
> oriented but otherwise...
>
> v
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> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Alex McKenzie <amckenzie3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Noel,
>>
>> In an a "anecdote" (not refereed) published in the IEEE Annals of the
>> History of Computing a while back (updated copy available at
>> http://alexmckenzie.weebly.com/inwg-and-the-conception-of-the-internet-an-eyewitness-account.html)
>> I wrote:
>>
>> At the New York meeting of INWG (International [Packet] Network Working
>> Group) 7-8 June 1973, a small team of engineers with implementation
>> experience in ARPANET (US), Cyclades (F), MERIT (US), and NPL (UK) created
>> a first draft of an International Transmission Protocol (ITP).
>> Vint Cerf served as the editor of this document, which was distributed as
>> a set of supplements to INWG 28.
>> ...
>> About a month later, Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn distributed INWG 39, which
>> they described as ?an attempt to collect and integrate the ideas uncovered
>> at the June 1973 INWG meeting in New York, as well as some ideas which have
>> been worked out since that time by various other people.?
>>
>> INWG 39 has been described as the first version of TCP/IP.
>>
>> Bob Kahn asserts that he was unaware of anything that happened at the INWG
>> meeting. He asserts that he believed that the quotation above was added to
>> the cover page of INWG 39 by Vint, and that he (Bob) believed that it was a
>> boilerplate sentence required on INWG documents.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alex
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>> *From:* Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
>> *To:* internet-history at postel.org
>> *Cc:* jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 18, 2013 2:36 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [ih] Congratulations! -- the "Nobel Prize for engineering"!
>>
>> ...
>>
>> I'd be curious to hear from Vint (since I'm not sure this point has been
>> explicity addressed) i) how familiar he and Bob Kahn were with the details
>> of
>> the CYCLADES work, and ii) how influential it was in their thinking.
>> ....
>>
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> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:24:43 +0000
> From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Congratulations! -- the "Nobel Prize for
> engineering"!
> To: dcrocker at bbiw.net
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> On 18/03/2013 17:35, Dave Crocker wrote:
>>
>> On 3/18/2013 9:28 AM, Jack Haverty wrote:
>>> Internet pioneers win engineering prize --
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21831916
>>
>>
>> one of the rare times that exponential backoff (from congratulations)
>> isn't the right algorithm...
>
> +5
>
> However, I am a little miffed that Robert Cailliau missed out.
> He really was in at the invention of HTTP and HTML, and in fact,
> I'm pretty sure it was Robert who introduced Tim to the concept
> of markup languages, in 1980 (when Robert worked for me and
> Tim was a contract programmer at CERN).
>
> Brian
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 09:49:10 -0400
> From: "Bernie Cosell" <bernie at fantasyfarm.com>
> Subject: [ih] Arpanet directory
> To: internet-history at postel.org
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> For reasons that I'm not quite sure of, the "Arpanet Directory" has
> surfaced. [I think someone mentioned it, it got propagated on FB and,
> well....]. I tried poking through it on google books but apparently
> only very limited snippets are available. Anyone know if the whole thing
> is online somewhere? Also, the one at google books is from 1982. They
> were available MUCH before that [I wish I'd kept some of my old
> copies!!].
>
> /Bernie\
> --
> Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
> mailto:bernie at fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA
> --> Too many people, too few sheep <--
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 10:06:23 -0400
> From: Eric Gade <eric.gade at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ih] Arpanet directory
> To: Bernie Cosell <bernie at fantasyfarm.com>
> Cc: internet-history at postel.org
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> There are several copies of the directory from various years available at
> the Computer History Museum. I've seen them in person, though they are not
> digitized.
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bernie Cosell <bernie at fantasyfarm.com>wrote:
>
>> For reasons that I'm not quite sure of, the "Arpanet Directory" has
>> surfaced. [I think someone mentioned it, it got propagated on FB and,
>> well....]. I tried poking through it on google books but apparently
>> only very limited snippets are available. Anyone know if the whole thing
>> is online somewhere? Also, the one at google books is from 1982. They
>> were available MUCH before that [I wish I'd kept some of my old
>> copies!!].
>>
>> /Bernie\
>> --
>> Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
>> mailto:bernie at fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA
>> --> Too many people, too few sheep <--
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Eric
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