[ih] FYI - Gordon Crovitz/WSJ on "Who Really Invented the Internet?"

Mon Jul 23 19:18:39 PDT 2012

When I get home Thursday I can look up the date to within one QTR of first Internetting experiments I know about.    I looked it up for Bob Kahn a few years ago and kept the QTR page images.

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On Jul 23, 2012, at 2:57 PM, John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net> wrote:

> I can't be sure, Dave Walden can probably fill it in, but I think connecting the ARPANet to Norway and the UK networks might have happened earlier.  But then, that was probably still the same network.
> 
> At 7:30 +1000 2012/07/24, Ian Peter wrote:
>> Here we go again - the search for the single point of origin of the
>> Internet.
>> 
>> The writer of the LA Times article might have done well if he had checked
>> with his friend Bob Taylor. He writes.
>> 
>> "Bob Taylor is a friend of mine, and I think I can say without fear of
>> contradiction that he fully endorses the idea as a point of personal pride
>> that the government-funded ARPANet was very much the precursor of the
>> Internet as we know it today"
>> 
>> Well that's not what Bob Taylor has written elsewhere. To quote Bob,
>> 
>> "I believe the first internet was created at Xerox PARC, circa '75, when we
>> connected, via PUP, the Ethernet with the ARPAnet. PUP (PARC Universal
>> Protocol) was instrumental later in defining TCP."
>> 
>> So John Schoch and PUP has to become at least part of this history - as has
>> Louis Pouzin and datagrams at Cyclades, and a number of other early
>> projects.
>> 
>> Claiming a single point of origin only lessens the richeness of the
>> Internet. Many people were involved, many projects. None can claim sole
>> inventor rights - indeed, the Myth of the Sole Inventor is an unproductive
>> way to  view our history. Mark Lumley has covered this well with "The Myth
>> of the Sole Inventor"
>> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1856610 .
>> 
>> Ian Peter
>> 
>> 
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>>>    1. Re: FYI - Gordon Crovitz/WSJ on "Who Really Invented the
>>>       Internet?" (Andrew G. Malis)
>>>    2. Re: FYI - Gordon Crovitz/WSJ on "Who Really Invented the
>>>       Internet?" (John Curran)
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>>> From: "Andrew G. Malis" <agmalis at gmail.com>
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>>> Internet?"
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>>> The LA Times fires back at Crovitz and the WSJ. This was written by Michael
>>> Hiltzik, who was quoted by Crovitz:
>>> 
>>> http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-mo-who-invented-internet-20120723,0,5
>>> 052169.story
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 2:25 PM, John Curran <jcurran at istaff.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Internet History Folks -
>>>> 
>>>>    I make note of this, as some of the folks on this list might have
>>>>    differing views.
>>>> 
>>>> FYI,
>>>> /John
>>>> 
>>>> ===
>>>> <
>>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577539063008406518.htm
>>>> l#
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet? Contrary to legend, it
>>>> wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had nothing to do with
>>>> maintaining communications during a war.
>>>> 
>>>>    -  By L. GORDON CROVITZ
>>>> 
>>>> [image: Columnist's name]
>>>> 
>>>>    -
>>>> 
>>>>  A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack
>>>> Obama said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else
>> >> made that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by
>>>> referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented
>>>> on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies
>>>> could make money off the Internet."
>>>> ...
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> To be clear, I was not referring to the political aspects of the article,
>>> but  the references along the lines of:
>>> 
>>>  "So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest company
>>> in the world? "
>>> 
>>> FYI,
>>> /John
>>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 2:25 PM, John Curran wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Internet History Folks -
>>>>    I make note of this, as some of the folks on this list might have
>>>>    differing views.
>>>> 
>>>> FYI,
>>>> /John
>>>> 
>>>> ===
>>>> <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577539063008406518.ht
>>>> ml#>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Gordon Crovitz: Who Really Invented the Internet?
>>>> Contrary to legend, it wasn't the federal government, and the Internet had
>>>> nothing to do with maintaining communications during a war.
>>>> By L. GORDON CROVITZ
>>>> 
>>>> A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack Obama
>>>> said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made
>>>> that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by
>>>> referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented on
>>>> its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies could
>>>> make money off the Internet."
>>>> 
>>>> ...
>>>> 
>>>> 
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