[ih] First file transfer on ARPANET

[Ioannis Korovesis]

a well-written note about  TELNET on IEEE's Internet Computing 1998

http://www2.sims.berkeley.edu/courses/is250/s99/articles/w3088.pdf

On 12/12/2012 04:38 PM, John Day wrote:
> Re: [ih] First file transfer on ARPANET
> At 9:22 -0500 2012/12/12, Vint Cerf wrote:
>> john, what would you call TELNET if not something facilitating remote 
>> login?
>
> The Telnet spec quite specifically says it is a terminal device driver 
> protocol.
>
> One of the true brilliances of Telnet is that it is NOT a remote login 
> protocol but a byte-oriented IPC mechanism that could be used for 
> other applications that needed a byte-oriented IPC mechanism.   
> Remember we called this class of protocols: Virtual Terminal 
> Protocols, not remote login protocols.
>
> Remote log in protocols by their nature are asymmetric and unsuitable 
> for anything else.  To call Telnet a remote login protocol is to 
> grossly miss the point, not only about Telnet, but what those guys 
> thought they were doing.
>
> The symmetric negotiation that Bernie came up with was another 
> brilliance, and the go-ahead was a third.
>
> Those early ARPANET guys were pretty smart!  It was a great honor and 
> a great piece of luck to be a grad student then and getting the chance 
> to learn from them!
>
> Take care,
> John
>
>>
>> v
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:37 AM, John Day <jeanjour at comcast.net 
>> <mailto:jeanjour at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Given that it was very late 1969 when the first IMPs went in,
>>     yes. The first file transfer would have been in 1970.  The second
>>     question would be when was the first file transfer using FTP.
>>
>>     There was no "initial focus" on remote login.  There WAS an
>>     initial focus on just getting bytes to move!  ;-)
>>
>>     I should point out that the ARPANET never did do a remote login
>>     protocol.  This is a fiction invented by sloppy textbook authors
>>     who don't check the original sources and frankly, don't seem to
>>     be that bright.
>>
>>     John
>>
>>
>>
>>     At 21:47 -0800 2012/12/11, Richard Bennett wrote:
>>
>>         Dear Historians,
>>
>>         I'm curious about when the first file transfer was done
>>         successfully on ARPANET. Given that the initial focus was
>>         remote login, I'm guessing that rudimentary file transfers
>>         wouldn't have been done until sometime in 1970. Does anyone
>>         remember?
>>
>>         Thanks,
>>
>>         RB
>>
>>         --
>>         Richard Bennett
>>
>

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