[ih] Ken Olsen's impact on the Internet

[Richard Bennett]

Not so much, there were more people in the OSI and Internet groups in 
the 1980s who didn't work with the other group, it just took too much 
time to do both.  We've all seen examples where a given standards body 
chose the wrong proposal, and other examples where it imported a better 
one than the local product. (Good) standards are apparently scarce 
resources.

On 2/13/2011 8:13 PM, Guy Almes wrote:
> Richard,
>   I'm sure that's true generally, and I suppose there were examples in 
> the great TCP/IP-vs-OSI era.
>   In this particular case, however, it was more cooperation than 
> competition.  The same people (Yakov and others) were involved in both 
> and just trying to get the best technical work into both BGP and IDRP.
>       -- Guy
>
> On 2/13/11 6:58 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:
>> IT seems that competition has a role to play in the development of
>> networking standards.
>>
>> RB
>>
>> On 2/11/2011 12:40 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> My memory matches yours. That is, BGP was first developed for IP, a
>>> new version (IDRP) was created for OSI, and the improvements were
>>> later brought back in to BGP.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Tony Li wrote:
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I believe that you are wrong on the first point. There was an
>>>>> Inter-Domain Routing Protocol developed in OSI.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the Acknowledgements section of RFC1771 (BGP-4):
>>>>>
>>>>> "This updated version of the document is the product of the IETF IDR
>>>>> Working Group with Yakov Rekhter and Tony Li as editors. Certain
>>>>> sections of the document borrowed heavily from IDRP [7], which is
>>>>> the OSI counterpart of BGP. For this credit should be given to the
>>>>> ANSI X3S3.3 group chaired by Lyman Chapin (BBN) and to Charles
>>>>> Kunzinger (IBM Corp.) who was the IDRP editor within that group."
>>>>
>>>> With all due respect, BGP was first developed for IP. Yakov then
>>>> ported it to OSI, where it became IDRP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If memory serves the IETF and ISO versions were developed in
>>>>> parallel by the same people.
>>>>
>>>> I would argue that it was closer to sequentially with alternating
>>>> phases, but it was certainly Yakov's doing, with Lyman, Charlie's,
>>>> and Sue's help on the OSI side, and Kirk and myself on the IP side.
>>>> When it came to BGP4, we ended up backporting much of the work on
>>>> aggregation from IDRP back into BGP. Thus the quote above.
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

-- 
Richard Bennett