[ih] Cluster Addressing and CIDR

[Joe Touch]

Geoff Huston wrote:
> 
>> The thing that makes IDs unique is _exactly_ the fact that they are 
>> NOT archived. Were that property to disappear, there would be a void.
> 
> This is a curious claim in so far as they _are_ archived,  all over the 
> world in thousands of
> locations.

Agreed. Though personal use archives are different from "available for 
others publicly", at least according to copyright law.

> There is no concept in today's world of being able to 
> 'unpublish" anything, or to
> be able to withdraw a document from the online public space. IETF 
> meeting proceedings
> publish and archive the drafts used by the WGs at the time. Google has 
> more than an
> significant number of hits for expired drafts, and so on.

And, as Geoff and I have discussed elswhere, there are those of us who 
are glad to educate those who illegally post documents for which they do 
not hold copyright.

I.e., that there are archives and they are public does not make them 
either legal or appropriate.

> Regardless of the merits of Joe's arguments, and I must admit that there 
> is considerable
> merit in his view of the role of drafts, the harsh reality is that these 
> documents
> do not and will not disappear from public availability. Accordingly, It 
> makes more sense
> to me to recognize and work within the  characteristics and properties 
> of the world we
> live in than to insist that somehow something that is happening should 
> not happen and
> that we should behave as if it is not happening.

The world we live in includes many things that are illegal and/or 
inappropriate. I hope we strive to rise above and/or correct those 
things, rather than admit defeat per se.

Joe