[Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq

Wed Mar 20 13:11:36 PDT 2024

The Internet Society and its long standing members probably know some of
the proposing members / organizations, in which case the application looks
good. The application could be taken up with a suggestion to the proposers
to rename the Chapter following ISOC Chapter naming conventions, with the
suggestion that the Chapter be named Internet Society Baghdad .

Sivasubramanian M

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On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 1:30 AM Asrat Beyene via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Dear All,
> I fully support the establishment of the new chapter in Iraq with one
> concern that needs to be addressed - the name of the chapter need to be
> Internet Society Iraq Chapter not "Al-Reada Wal-Izdehar Organization for
> Sustainable Development | منظمة الريادة والازدهار للتنمية المستدامة"
>
> Asrat
> ISOC Ethiopia Chapter
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 8:30 PM Pedro de Perdigão Lana via
> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear Luis,
>>
>> Completely agree and it was not my intention to block any debate, such as
>> asking why that specific name was chosen. My opinion was addressed to the
>> imposing/categorical tone that started to appear after the initial
>> questioning - some of the comments seemed to imply that the name change
>> could be a condition for approval, and I remain strongly opposed to this
>> concept (particularly because, as Andrew already mentioned, this would be a
>> condition that many other chapters currently do not comply with)
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>> Advogado - OAB/PR 90.600 <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>,  Pesquisador
>> (GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>)
>> Doutorando em Direito (UFPR), Mestre em Direito Empresarial (UCoimbra),
>> Membro da Coordenação - CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC
>> BR <https://isoc.org.br/> e IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
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>>
>>
>> Em qua., 20 de mar. de 2024 às 10:26, Luis Martinez via Chapter-delegates
>> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escreveu:
>>
>>> Dear Pedro, now it is more clear the reasons. However, the best result
>>> is our capacity of dialogue which should not be lost. It is one of our
>>> biggest values.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Luis Martinez
>>> ISOC MX
>>> Member of the board of trustees ISOC
>>> On Mar 19, 2024, 14:30 -0600, Pedro de Perdigão Lana via
>>> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>, wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Giving an opinion here for similar debates in the future: even if this
>>> wasn't a legal constraint, I don't think it is up to us to decide on the
>>> name a chapter will adopt. They can have an official/company name and a
>>> trade name (the one they are known for), and, if there is no requirement
>>> from ISOC as an organization about this, I do not believe it would be a
>>> good practice to have other chapters deciding about the adequacy or not of
>>> the name, if it is not something widely considered as immoral or illegal.
>>>
>>> Cordially,
>>>
>>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>>> Lawyer <https://www.sistemafiep.org.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR
>>> <https://www.gedai.com.br/> Researcher
>>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>>> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
>>> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
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>>>
>>> Em ter., 19 de mar. de 2024 às 13:28, Ricky Mahabir via
>>> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Greetings from Suriname,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the clarification Hana. Given the constraints the name is
>>>> then proper as per legal requirement.
>>>> I have no further objections and wish the team many
>>>> successful projects.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ricky P. Mahabir
>>>> FY 2023 - 2024 Service Chairperson | Lions Club Parwani | (LC Member
>>>> #5276037, *MJF*)
>>>> Commissaris Sportclub De Dolfijn (Bar, Keuken en Recreatie)
>>>> JCI Senator # 81045
>>>> 2021-2023 Secretary ISOC Suriname Chapter (www.isoc.org)
>>>>
>>>> Voorzitter Key Jaycees / Past President | JCI Suriname
>>>> / JCI Nilom
>>>>
>>>> Mobile: +597-7697377 / +597-8727832 | e-mail: rickypm at gmail.com |
>>>> Skype: rmahabir
>>>>
>>>> "Be the change you want to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 11:08 AM Hana Sabbagh via Chapter-delegates <
>>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your comments.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The NGO Directorate of the Iraqi government has terms and conditions
>>>>> for naming a not-for-profit organization, these terms are:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. The names of the proposed organization *should not* include the
>>>>>    following terms: (Iraqi, national, global, international, union,
>>>>>    professions, crafts, scientific, syndicate, seminary, society, council,
>>>>>    forum, association, center, farmers, fishing, cooperative, central).
>>>>>    2. The names of the proposed organization *must include* one of
>>>>>    the following specializations: (agricultural, culture, democracy, economic
>>>>>    development, education, environment, people with special needs, human
>>>>>    rights, media, humanitarian aid, children and orphans, public health,
>>>>>    public services, relief, youth, women’s affairs , art, sustainable
>>>>>    development).
>>>>>    3. The name of the organization *should be as* follows:
>>>>>    Organization + a clear proper noun that matches the specializations + one
>>>>>    of the specializations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The chapter forming group sent several names to the NGO directorate
>>>>> and this was the one that was accepted. They are open to suggestions for
>>>>> names that fall within the above-mentioned criteria.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The chapter will be a separate legal entity and will be referred to as
>>>>> Internet Society Iraq Chapter.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Hana
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>> on behalf of Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates <
>>>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>> *Date:* Tuesday, 19 March 2024 at 3:38 PM
>>>>> *To:* chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org <
>>>>> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 01:57:12AM +0000, Christopher Hawker via
>>>>> Chapter-delegates wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >  2.
>>>>> > chapters are distinct and separate legal entities from ISOC
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, this is true.
>>>>>
>>>>> > as stated by Andrew Sullivan in his email to the Chapter Delegates
>>>>> list on 03/12/2024 at 03:16pm UTC "chapters do not have legal
>>>>> responsibilities to the Internet Society corporate body". This would mean
>>>>> that the chapter would have no legal responsibilities to ISOC.
>>>>>
>>>>> That way of stating things was perhaps infelicitous (or perhaps some
>>>>> context has been cut).  Chapters _do_ have legal responsibilities to the
>>>>> Internet Society corporate body, within the scope of the engagement
>>>>> letter.  For instance, chapters promise as part of their engagement to do
>>>>> certain things (like hold elections for officers); and if they don't do
>>>>> them then the various chapter processes kick in (this includes, for
>>>>> instance, ineligibility for certain kinds of funding or eventual
>>>>> dechartering or so forth).
>>>>>
>>>>> The main point I was trying to make in that message is that chapters
>>>>> are not legally a part of the Internet Society, but are independent legal
>>>>> entities.  This is not how chapters work in every organization.  For
>>>>> instance, in some cases, a "chapter" is really a branch office of the
>>>>> corporation itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the matter of the name, I will observe that we do not have a
>>>>> requirement that the entity that is recognized as the chapter must be named
>>>>> "Internet Society $place chapter", and many chapter organizations have
>>>>> names that are not of the usual "chapter" form.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> A
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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