[Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq
Johan Helsingius
julf at Julf.com
Wed Mar 20 07:06:31 PDT 2024
Hi Pedro,
Good point. As to the legal side, I think the Finnish chapter is
a good example - as it formally and legally is SIY (Finnish Internet
Association), a member organisation of the Finnish Information
Processing Association (TIVIA). The fact that it also is the
Finnish ISOC chapter is a small aside from the point of view of
the Finnish association laws. :)
Julf
On 19/03/2024 21:30, Pedro de Perdigão Lana via Chapter-delegates wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Giving an opinion here for similar debates in the future: even if this
> wasn't a legal constraint, I don't think it is up to us to decide on the
> name a chapter will adopt. They can have an official/company name and a
> trade name (the one they are known for), and, if there is no requirement
> from ISOC as an organization about this, I do not believe it would be a
> good practice to have other chapters deciding about the adequacy or not
> of the name, if it is not something widely considered as immoral or illegal.
>
> Cordially,
>
> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
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> Em ter., 19 de mar. de 2024 às 13:28, Ricky Mahabir via
> Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> escreveu:
>
> Greetings from Suriname,
>
> Thank you for the clarification Hana. Given the constraints the name
> is then proper as per legal requirement.
> I have no further objections and wish the team many
> successful projects.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ricky P. Mahabir
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> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 11:08 AM Hana Sabbagh via Chapter-delegates
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
>
> Dear all,____
>
> __ __
>
> Thank you for your comments.____
>
> __ __
>
> The NGO Directorate of the Iraqi government has terms and
> conditions for naming a not-for-profit organization, these terms
> are:____
>
> __ __
>
> 1. The names of the proposed organization *should not* include
> the following terms: (Iraqi, national, global,
> international, union, professions, crafts, scientific,
> syndicate, seminary, society, council, forum, association,
> center, farmers, fishing, cooperative, central).____
> 2. The names of the proposed organization *must include* one of
> the following specializations: (agricultural, culture,
> democracy, economic development, education, environment,
> people with special needs, human rights, media, humanitarian
> aid, children and orphans, public health, public services,
> relief, youth, women’s affairs , art, sustainable
> development).____
> 3. The name of the organization *should be as* follows:
> Organization + a clear proper noun that matches the
> specializations + one of the specializations.____
>
> __ __
>
> The chapter forming group sent several names to the NGO
> directorate and this was the one that was accepted. They are
> open to suggestions for names that fall within the
> above-mentioned criteria.____
>
> __ __
>
> The chapter will be a separate legal entity and will be referred
> to as Internet Society Iraq Chapter.____
>
> __ __
>
> Thank you____
>
> __ __
>
> Regards____
>
> Hana____
>
> __ __
>
> __ __
>
> *From: *Chapter-delegates
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> <mailto:chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org>> on behalf of
> Andrew Sullivan via Chapter-delegates
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> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>>
> *Date: *Tuesday, 19 March 2024 at 3:38 PM
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> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
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> *Subject: *Re: [Chapter-delegates] Chapter Formation in Iraq____
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 01:57:12AM +0000, Christopher Hawker via
> Chapter-delegates wrote:
>
> > 2.
> > chapters are distinct and separate legal entities from ISOC
>
> Yes, this is true.
>
> > as stated by Andrew Sullivan in his email to the Chapter Delegates list on 03/12/2024 at 03:16pm UTC "chapters do not have legal responsibilities to the Internet Society corporate body". This would mean that the chapter would have no legal responsibilities to ISOC.
>
> That way of stating things was perhaps infelicitous (or perhaps
> some context has been cut). Chapters _do_ have legal
> responsibilities to the Internet Society corporate body, within
> the scope of the engagement letter. For instance, chapters
> promise as part of their engagement to do certain things (like
> hold elections for officers); and if they don't do them then the
> various chapter processes kick in (this includes, for instance,
> ineligibility for certain kinds of funding or eventual
> dechartering or so forth).
>
> The main point I was trying to make in that message is that
> chapters are not legally a part of the Internet Society, but are
> independent legal entities. This is not how chapters work in
> every organization. For instance, in some cases, a "chapter" is
> really a branch office of the corporation itself.
>
> On the matter of the name, I will observe that we do not have a
> requirement that the entity that is recognized as the chapter
> must be named "Internet Society $place chapter", and many
> chapter organizations have names that are not of the usual
> "chapter" form.
>
> Best regards,
>
> A
>
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