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not be the most pressing issue for a majority of chapters and I will not<br=
>
presume to know or state what is most important until the Chapter Advisory<=
br>
group convenes and undertakes its important work. There are some very<br>
critically important Internet taking place outside of ISOC that require<br>
our attention and action.<br>
<span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Ted<br>
</font></span><div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 11/7/13 6:10 AM, "Grigori Saghyan" <<a href=3D"mailto:grego=
r at arminco.com">gregor at arminco.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Dear Ted,<br>
>I do not think, that any personal attack will help to =A0resolve any<br=
>
>problem. But if there is a problem, necessary to indicate<br>
>- - to whom in is possible to apply. When we speak about bottom-up<br>
>model, multi- stakholder approach in the Internet Governance, we have<b=
r>
>to demonstrate, that these principles are present in ISOC community.<br=
>
>These new ideas are actual after =A02005. ISOC was created earlier, and=
<br>
>may be it is right time to think how to =A0implement these new<br>
>approaches, because this approaches are supported by ISOC.<br>
>Grigori Saghyan<br>
><a href=3D"http://ISOC.AM" target=3D"_blank">ISOC.AM</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>On 06.11.2013 18:00, Ted Mooney wrote:<br>
>> This is the only response I will make to this list on what has bee=
n<br>
>> the first personal attack on my character and good faith in my<br>
>> professional career.<br>
>><br>
>> For the record, Alan and I spent a good part of a day in person<br=
>
>> discussing the ISOC Members in Guateng who were trying to put an<b=
r>
>> event together and looked to Alan for support. =A0For whatever rea=
son<br>
>> that support never materialized according to these members and the=
y<br>
>> expressed their desire to form their own chapter. =A0Before I woul=
d<br>
>> encourage them I spoke to Alan and asked him directly if he would<=
br>
>> support a separate chapter since the nurturing and training of the=
<br>
>> Gauteng members was, in his words, too much work to train and<br>
>> supervise them" for him or presumably the ZA chapter. Alan as=
sured<br>
>> me he was fine with that so long as ISOC ZA maintained leadership<=
br>
>> within South Africa. =A0I agreed and only then did I give the<br>
>> go-ahead for the application process for a Gauteng Chapter. =A0The=
<br>
>> next time I communicated this to Alan he told me I was out of my<b=
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>> mind, that he never said such a thing and that I was out to subver=
t<br>
>> the ZA chapter. =A0I was astonished and offered twice to connect<b=
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>> directly by voice to overcome this communication breakdown. =A0He<=
br>
>> refused and went silent to me.<br>
>><br>
>> With respect to observing the netiquette, I admit to mistakes<br>
>> within my department and others, which I have now corrected<br>
>> internally, including having established rules of email protocol<b=
r>
>> for our lists and for our membership communications. =A0I thanked<=
br>
>> Alan for this and for guiding me.<br>
>><br>
>> Regarding Alan's second point, the project he sent me to in<br=
>
>> Johannesburg, I was highly thankful and encouraged by what I saw<b=
r>
>> and again thanked him. I'm unclear how my 'dishonesty'=
 manifested<br>
>> in this case.<br>
>><br>
>> People of good faith and interest can often have differing views,<=
br>
>> miscommunications and a falling out. =A0It is how they react<br>
>> afterward that is the measure of character and leadership.<br>
>><br>
>> To Alan, I reiterate my prior offers to speak directly in order to=
<br>
>> 1) try to resolve our miscommunication and 2)find a way to assist<=
br>
>> ISOC ZA in a fashion consistent with your independence and needs. =
I<br>
>> do not wage war on chapters. =A0I am a voice and manager within IS=
OC<br>
>> for the greater support of Chapters.<br>
>><br>
>> Lastly, personal attacks on this list are inconsistent with the<br=
>
>> spirit and purpose of the Chapter Delegates list, and with the ver=
y<br>
>> netiquette I'm accused of ignoring. Regardless whether it is s=
taff<br>
>> or a chapter member, this list is meant for civil, professional<br=
>
>> discourse. Everyone will benefit from this.<br>
>><br>
>> With special regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Ted Ted Mooney Senior Director, Membership & Services The Inte=
rnet<br>
>> Society 1775 Wiehle Avenue Reston, VA 20190 USA Office: +1<br>
>> <a href=3D"tel:703-439-2774" value=3D"+17034392774">703-439-2774</=
a> Cell: <a href=3D"tel:%2B1%20301-980-6446" value=3D"+13019806446">+1 301-=
980-6446</a> eMail: <a href=3D"mailto:mooney at isoc.org">mooney at isoc.org</a><=
br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 11/6/13 6:37 AM, "Alan Levin" <<a href=3D"mailto:a=
lan at isoc.org.za">alan at isoc.org.za</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Dear Veni,<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 05 Nov 2013, at 8:49 PM, Veni Markovski <<a href=3D"mail=
to:veni at veni.com">veni at veni.com</a>><br>
>>> wrote:<br>
>>>> You are right. The staffers are good people. I'd say -=
<br>
>>>> amazingly good people.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I am so sorry as in the past I would always have agreed with<b=
r>
>>> this comment. Sadly, after spending more than a calendar day i=
n<br>
>>> various discussions with Ted Mooney in Durban a few months ago=
, I<br>
>>> found him to have been dishonest with me. I would not state th=
is<br>
>>> in such a public forum unless I was entirely convinced on thre=
e<br>
>>> bases, 1. regarding ISOC Gauteng, 2. regarding a visit to ISOC=
<br>
>>> projects in Gauteng that I sent him to, and 3. regarding a<br>
>>> commitment to observing netiquette.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I have told Ted that cannot trust him and that I believe he is=
<br>
>>> waging a war against ISOC-ZA yet he persists. Sadly he is in<b=
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>>> charge of ISOCs position on all of us :(<br>
>>><br>
>>> On the other hand I've had a few discussion with the Trust=
ees and<br>
>>> I believe that they are fully aware of the issues and are full=
y<br>
>>> supportive of the Chapters needs. I expect that with the new C=
EO<br>
>>> we will see dissolution of the 'bureaus' and additiona=
l global<br>
>>> policy analysts that will be available to assist us with polic=
y<br>
>>> issues at national or regional levels.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sincerely<br>
>>><br>
>>> Alan<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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