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not be the most pressing issue for a majority of chapters and I will not
presume to know or state what is most important until the Chapter Advisory
group convenes and undertakes its important work. There are some very
critically important Internet taking place outside of ISOC that require
our attention and action.

Ted

On 11/7/13 6:10 AM, "Grigori Saghyan" <gregor at arminco.com> wrote:

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>Dear Ted,
>I do not think, that any personal attack will help to  resolve any
>problem. But if there is a problem, necessary to indicate
>- - to whom in is possible to apply. When we speak about bottom-up
>model, multi- stakholder approach in the Internet Governance, we have
>to demonstrate, that these principles are present in ISOC community.
>These new ideas are actual after  2005. ISOC was created earlier, and
>may be it is right time to think how to  implement these new
>approaches, because this approaches are supported by ISOC.
>Grigori Saghyan
>ISOC.AM
>
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>On 06.11.2013 18:00, Ted Mooney wrote:
>> This is the only response I will make to this list on what has been
>> the first personal attack on my character and good faith in my
>> professional career.
>>=20
>> For the record, Alan and I spent a good part of a day in person
>> discussing the ISOC Members in Guateng who were trying to put an
>> event together and looked to Alan for support.  For whatever reason
>> that support never materialized according to these members and they
>> expressed their desire to form their own chapter.  Before I would
>> encourage them I spoke to Alan and asked him directly if he would
>> support a separate chapter since the nurturing and training of the
>> Gauteng members was, in his words, too much work to train and
>> supervise them" for him or presumably the ZA chapter. Alan assured
>> me he was fine with that so long as ISOC ZA maintained leadership
>> within South Africa.  I agreed and only then did I give the
>> go-ahead for the application process for a Gauteng Chapter.  The
>> next time I communicated this to Alan he told me I was out of my
>> mind, that he never said such a thing and that I was out to subvert
>> the ZA chapter.  I was astonished and offered twice to connect
>> directly by voice to overcome this communication breakdown.  He
>> refused and went silent to me.
>>=20
>> With respect to observing the netiquette, I admit to mistakes
>> within my department and others, which I have now corrected
>> internally, including having established rules of email protocol
>> for our lists and for our membership communications.  I thanked
>> Alan for this and for guiding me.
>>=20
>> Regarding Alan's second point, the project he sent me to in
>> Johannesburg, I was highly thankful and encouraged by what I saw
>> and again thanked him. I'm unclear how my 'dishonesty' manifested
>> in this case.
>>=20
>> People of good faith and interest can often have differing views,
>> miscommunications and a falling out.  It is how they react
>> afterward that is the measure of character and leadership.
>>=20
>> To Alan, I reiterate my prior offers to speak directly in order to
>> 1) try to resolve our miscommunication and 2)find a way to assist
>> ISOC ZA in a fashion consistent with your independence and needs. I
>> do not wage war on chapters.  I am a voice and manager within ISOC
>> for the greater support of Chapters.
>>=20
>> Lastly, personal attacks on this list are inconsistent with the
>> spirit and purpose of the Chapter Delegates list, and with the very
>> netiquette I'm accused of ignoring. Regardless whether it is staff
>> or a chapter member, this list is meant for civil, professional
>> discourse. Everyone will benefit from this.
>>=20
>> With special regards,
>>=20
>> Ted Ted Mooney Senior Director, Membership & Services The Internet
>> Society 1775 Wiehle Avenue Reston, VA 20190 USA Office: +1
>> 703-439-2774 Cell: +1 301-980-6446 eMail: mooney at isoc.org
>>=20
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>> On 11/6/13 6:37 AM, "Alan Levin" <alan at isoc.org.za> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Dear Veni,
>>>=20
>>> On 05 Nov 2013, at 8:49 PM, Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> You are right. The staffers are good people. I'd say -
>>>> amazingly good people.
>>>=20
>>> I am so sorry as in the past I would always have agreed with
>>> this comment. Sadly, after spending more than a calendar day in
>>> various discussions with Ted Mooney in Durban a few months ago, I
>>> found him to have been dishonest with me. I would not state this
>>> in such a public forum unless I was entirely convinced on three
>>> bases, 1. regarding ISOC Gauteng, 2. regarding a visit to ISOC
>>> projects in Gauteng that I sent him to, and 3. regarding a
>>> commitment to observing netiquette.
>>>=20
>>> I have told Ted that cannot trust him and that I believe he is
>>> waging a war against ISOC-ZA yet he persists. Sadly he is in
>>> charge of ISOCs position on all of us :(
>>>=20
>>> On the other hand I've had a few discussion with the Trustees and
>>> I believe that they are fully aware of the issues and are fully
>>> supportive of the Chapters needs. I expect that with the new CEO
>>> we will see dissolution of the 'bureaus' and additional global
>>> policy analysts that will be available to assist us with policy
>>> issues at national or regional levels.
>>>=20
>>> Sincerely
>>>=20
>>> Alan
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