[Chapter-delegates] Unfortunately, the Internet Impact Toolkit is unsound

[Christian de Larrinaga]

Somewhere there is a great photo of Vint in the appropriate t shirts
advertising the IP over Anything and Anything over IP  point going back to 1993/4?



Christian

Borka Jerman Blazic via Chapter-delegates writes:

> Thanks Vint for the right and correct answer. As you say underlying data 
> transport can be different e.g. wi-fi, but the things we are doing today 
> have common
>
> layer based on TCP/IP or UDP/IP, being video, speech or e.mail. That is 
> the  main internet property  - ability to inter-connect multiple packet 
> switched networks.
>
> Many forget that!
>
> Borka
>
>
> vinton cerf via Chapter-delegates je 9. 09. 2020 ob 19:42 napisal:
>
>> Dave, I think you may have at least one thing wrong.  > > You can't interconnect a bunch of networks and expect anything to 
>  > work if there isn't something they have in common. Sometimes that's > 
> up at the application layer - so we used to have email gateways but > 
> could not do remote login or ftp or the many other things we do over > 
> TCP/IP or UDP/IP. The common use of IP is key to the Internet's > 
> ability to interconnect multiple packet-switched networks. Bob Kahn's > 
> DOA assumes IP connectivity but is not dependent on DNS (although it > 
> can use DNS). > > vint > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:30 PM Dave 
> Burstein via Chapter-delegates > <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org > 
> <mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote: > > People > > 
> Columbia Professor Eli Noam, perhaps the Internet's most respected > 
> public voice, pointed out that there was no reason what's valuable > 
> about the Internet required a single system. So long as there was > 
> robust interconnection, there could be many "Internets" with > different 
> internal systems. > > There is absolutely no reason the future Internet 
> requires "a Common > Protocol," "a Single Distributed Routing System,"or 
> "Common Global > Identifiers"/I think those are good ideas, but can 
> respect those who > disagree. / > > Bob Kahn, a founder of ISOC, 
> supports DOA/DONA, a "digital object > architecture." We discuss some of 
> its pros and cons at > 
> https://www.internetsociety.org/resources/doc/2016/overview-of-the-digital-object-architecture-doa/ 
>  > > > In another example, Verizon, backed by Deutsche Telekom, 
> Telefonica, the Koreans, and the Chinese want "deterministic networking" 
> designed to guarantee performance. (Like Vint and Andrew, I strongly 
> oppose that and was one of the few to speak up at the ITU FG2030. It is 
> likely to dominate our networks in 5-10 years, like it or not.)
>>  > I might prefer a system that did a better job protecting my privacy > 
> from government and corporate spying. Others might prefer a system > 
> that did a better job detecting and blocking pornography. > 
> ---------------- > > To be effective, we need to begin with the facts on 
> the ground. In > almost all countries, the Internet is dominated by a 
> handful of > companies. I think we can all agree on this, even if we 
> disagree on > the right response. > > 9 of 13 of our Board are from the 
> U.S., as are many of our senior > staff. To be effective, we should 
> clearly take positions that benefit > Internet users around the world. 
> We must be very careful not to take > positions that protect U.S. giant 
> companies. > > Our policy lead has said ISOC is a place for "Like-minded 
>  > individuals," backed by our current and previous CEO. We've taken > 
> that too far, to the point we are preaching to the converted and not > 
> representing the interests of most people on the Internet. > > Andrew, 
> Gonzalo - It's your job to do better. > > > > -- Editor, 
> AnalysisBranch.com, Wirelessone.news, fastnet.news > @analysisbranch 
> telecom news worth a tweet Available for consulting. > > 
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