[Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars

Tue Feb 4 02:45:00 PST 2020

Hi Richard,

yes, I fully agree with you that reproducing discussions that have already taken place would not be an effective use of anyone's time. Once everybody understands all relevant arguments, for and against,  they will reach their own conclusions. In any case, it is good to have a community that cares about the Internet and feels strongly about its future, even when we sometimes agree to disagree (diversity of opinions and the discussions they trigger are also one of our community's strengths).

And to be clear, in addition to answering questions about the PIR deal, we have also been asked to answer questions regarding ISOC's current activities, future plans, etc. We wrote the following blog post and will be happy to clarify questions around all that as well:
https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2019/12/working-together-to-build-bigger-stronger-internet/

Cheers,

Gonzalo

From: Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch>
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 10:30
To: Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com>; 'Enzo Puliatti' <epuliatti at itsyn.com>
Cc: 'Chapter Delegates' <Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
Subject: RE: [Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars

Dear Gonzalo,

It looks like we might wind up reproducing on this list the discussions that we had on the Internet Policy list and that are summarized in the document that the Chapters Advisory Council is reviewing.

Regarding the reasons for confidentiality, as I recall, the main reason given was that Ethos requested it. In my view, ISOC should not have accepted such stringent non-disclosure requirements, even if that meant that Ethos would have withdrawen its offer.

The reason being that lack of transparency leads to lack of trust and suspicion. That's one of the reasons for the criticism of the deal, and one of the reasons why the California Attorney General has decided to get involved formally. In my view, it was predictable that lack of transparency would cause problems. Further, in my view, it is contrary to the principles that ISOC has long advocated.

Best,
Richard

From: Gonzalo Camarillo [mailto:gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 08:55
To: Enzo Puliatti
Cc: Richard Hill; Chapter Delegates
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars

Hi Enzo,

Yes, Andrew has discussed in several occasions the reasons for the confidentiality requirements on some of the data.

Cheers,

Gonzalo

On Feb 4, 2020 08:48, Enzo Puliatti <epuliatti at itsyn.com<mailto:epuliatti at itsyn.com>> wrote:
Dear Gonzalo,

It's pretty obvious that all public information will indeed be public and therefore we will have access to it. What someone may find disturbing is that instead of getting first-hand information as stakeholders would have expected, we will probably get most of the key information from public sources thanks to a Department of Justice investigation...

Best regards

Enzo Puliatti
ISOC Italy

On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:51 PM Gonzalo Camarillo via Chapter-delegates <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org<mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Richard,

right, whatever information is made public through that process will, well, be public indeed.

Cheers,

Gonzalo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch<mailto:rhill at hill-a.ch>>
> Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 21:57
> To: Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com<mailto:gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com>>; 'Chapter
> Delegates' <Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org<mailto:Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>>
> Subject: RE: [Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars
>
> Dear Gonzalo,
>
> Thank you for this.
>
> As you say below, "it remains important that the opinions we all form
> around this deal are based on an accurate view of the facts."
>
> Given what you refer to as "time sensitivities, confidentiality, and complex
> legal requirements" most of us don't have access to key facts that would
> permit us to understand why the Board considered this deal to be a good
> idea.
>
> However, the time sensitivities and the confidentiality will presumably be less
> of an issue in light of the letter from the California Attorney General (in their
> role as supervisory authority for non-profit organization) to ICANN, in which
> they request a great deal of information(apparently with subpoena powers)
> regarding Ethos and the proposed transaction and that ICANN defer a
> decision until 20 April 2020.
>
> So, by then, perhaps we will all have access to relevant facts.
>
> The letter in question, with ICANN's letter to PIR, is at:
>
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/jeffrey-to-nevett-
> 30jan
> 20-en.pdf
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-<mailto:chapter-delegates->
> > bounces at elists.isoc.org<mailto:bounces at elists.isoc.org>] On Behalf Of Gonzalo Camarillo via Chapter-
> > delegates
> > Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 21:25
> > To: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org<mailto:chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> > Subject: [Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars
> >
> > Dear Chapter Leaders,
> >
> > I understand that a draft letter from the Chapter Advisory Council to
> > the Internet Board of Trustees about the sale of PIR, is in the
> > process of being finalized.
> >
> > On behalf of the of the Internet Society Board trustees, I would like
> > to acknowledge the concerns of our community and the frustrations
> > about not having been sufficiently consulted.
> >
> > At our core, the Internet Society is a collaborative and consultative
> > body. This is part of our DNA and will forever be part of it; however,
> > time sensitivities, confidentiality, and complex legal requirements
> > surrounding this deal have meant that we have not been able to involve
> > our community as fully as we would have liked.
> >
> > In late November, we hosted a conversation with all our members to
> > help address community concerns. In addition, there have been several
> > blog posts by the trustees and Andrew to explain what the deal means
> > for the community, and how it will help us continue our work together
> > in support of our common mission. The chapter-selected trustees also
> > held a call with the ChAC where they responded to their questions.
> > Beyond these touch points, PIR, ISOC, and Ethos Capital have set up a
> > public website www.keypointsabout.org<https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=01906ef7-5d1aa429-01902e6c-86823e270a62-ec98963f873e8aba&q=1&e=f002f2d0-0ffe-4797-ac97-c5eef926276a&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.keypointsabout.org%2F>, to provide more clarity around
> > the transaction and to address questions and concerns. In addition to
> > this, we have been planning more touchpoints between the Board and the
> > community, both in person and online. The Chapter AC letter further
> > highlights the need for these touchpoints, so I would like to kick
> > this off with a webinar for chapter leaders during February, followed
> > by another online session in March. There will also be an opportunity
> > for those in Cancun at ICANN67
> >   to connect with some of the trustees in person.
> >
> > It remains important that the opinions we all form around this deal
> > are based on an accurate view of the facts. A lot of misinformation
> > has been circulated about the deal, and this has detracted
> > significantly from an understanding of the value that the transaction
> > will bring to the Internet Society, our chapters, the work of our
> > members, and ultimately the Internet, a resource we all believe is for
> > the greater good of society at large.  This deal will ensure ISOC's
> > community efforts to build, promote, and defend the Internet can
> > continue, with proper and sustained funding, at a time when user
> > trust, government intervention, and walled gardens are making our work
> > more important than ever.
> >
> > I want to assure all of you that all of us on the Board are listening.
> > We are available to answer your questions, because we recognize the
> > importance of having an open dialogue where concerns can be raised and
> > opinions shared. We welcome what you have to say, and we hope that we
> > can all move forward together toward a bigger, stronger Internet.
> >
> > In the meantime, please watch out for the invitation to the webinar
> > session later this month which I very much hope you will be able to
> > attend.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Gonzalo
> > Chair - ISOC BoT
> >
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