[Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars

Tue Feb 4 17:25:59 PST 2020

Well, this is not good....

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Greg Shatan
greg at isoc-ny.org
President, ISOC-NY
*"The Internet is for everyone"*

On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 5:45 AM Gonzalo Camarillo via Chapter-delegates <
chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
>
>
> yes, I fully agree with you that reproducing discussions that have already
> taken place would not be an effective use of anyone’s time. Once everybody
> understands all relevant arguments, for and against,  they will reach their
> own conclusions. In any case, it is good to have a community that cares
> about the Internet and feels strongly about its future, even when we
> sometimes agree to disagree (diversity of opinions and the discussions they
> trigger are also one of our community’s strengths).
>
>
>
> And to be clear, in addition to answering questions about the PIR deal, we
> have also been asked to answer questions regarding ISOC’s current
> activities, future plans, etc. We wrote the following blog post and will be
> happy to clarify questions around all that as well:
>
>
> https://www.internetsociety.org/blog/2019/12/working-together-to-build-bigger-stronger-internet/
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gonzalo
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>
>
>
>
> *From:* Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 4, 2020 10:30
> *To:* Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com>; 'Enzo Puliatti'
> <epuliatti at itsyn.com>
> *Cc:* 'Chapter Delegates' <Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars
>
>
>
> Dear Gonzalo,
>
>
>
> It looks like we might wind up reproducing on this list the discussions
> that we had on the Internet Policy list and that are summarized in the
> document that the Chapters Advisory Council is reviewing.
>
>
>
> Regarding the reasons for confidentiality, as I recall, the main reason
> given was that Ethos requested it. In my view, ISOC should not have
> accepted such stringent non-disclosure requirements, even if that meant
> that Ethos would have withdrawen its offer.
>
>
>
> The reason being that lack of transparency leads to lack of trust and
> suspicion. That’s one of the reasons for the criticism of the deal, and one
> of the reasons why the California Attorney General has decided to get
> involved formally. In my view, it was predictable that lack of transparency
> would cause problems. Further, in my view, it is contrary to the principles
> that ISOC has long advocated.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> *From:* Gonzalo Camarillo [mailto:gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com
> <gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 4, 2020 08:55
> *To:* Enzo Puliatti
> *Cc:* Richard Hill; Chapter Delegates
> *Subject:* Re: [Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars
>
>
>
> Hi Enzo,
>
>
>
> Yes, Andrew has discussed in several occasions the reasons for the
> confidentiality requirements on some of the data.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Gonzalo
>
>
>
> On Feb 4, 2020 08:48, Enzo Puliatti <epuliatti at itsyn.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Gonzalo,
>
>
>
> It's pretty obvious that all public information will indeed be public and
> therefore we will have access to it. What someone may find disturbing is
> that instead of getting first-hand information as stakeholders would have
> expected, we will probably get most of the key information from public
> sources thanks to a Department of Justice investigation...
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
>
> Enzo Puliatti
>
> ISOC Italy
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 10:51 PM Gonzalo Camarillo via Chapter-delegates <
> chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> right, whatever information is made public through that process will,
> well, be public indeed.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gonzalo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Hill <rhill at hill-a.ch>
> > Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 21:57
> > To: Gonzalo Camarillo <gonzalo.camarillo at ericsson.com>; 'Chapter
> > Delegates' <Chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> > Subject: RE: [Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars
> >
> > Dear Gonzalo,
> >
> > Thank you for this.
> >
> > As you say below, "it remains important that the opinions we all form
> > around this deal are based on an accurate view of the facts."
> >
> > Given what you refer to as "time sensitivities, confidentiality, and
> complex
> > legal requirements" most of us don't have access to key facts that would
> > permit us to understand why the Board considered this deal to be a good
> > idea.
> >
> > However, the time sensitivities and the confidentiality will presumably
> be less
> > of an issue in light of the letter from the California Attorney General
> (in their
> > role as supervisory authority for non-profit organization) to ICANN, in
> which
> > they request a great deal of information(apparently with subpoena powers)
> > regarding Ethos and the proposed transaction and that ICANN defer a
> > decision until 20 April 2020.
> >
> > So, by then, perhaps we will all have access to relevant facts.
> >
> > The letter in question, with ICANN's letter to PIR, is at:
> >
> > https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/jeffrey-to-nevett-
> > 30jan
> > 20-en.pdf
> >
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chapter-delegates [mailto:chapter-delegates-
> > > bounces at elists.isoc.org] On Behalf Of Gonzalo Camarillo via Chapter-
> > > delegates
> > > Sent: Monday, February 3, 2020 21:25
> > > To: chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org
> > > Subject: [Chapter-delegates] Upcoming webminars
> > >
> > > Dear Chapter Leaders,
> > >
> > > I understand that a draft letter from the Chapter Advisory Council to
> > > the Internet Board of Trustees about the sale of PIR, is in the
> > > process of being finalized.
> > >
> > > On behalf of the of the Internet Society Board trustees, I would like
> > > to acknowledge the concerns of our community and the frustrations
> > > about not having been sufficiently consulted.
> > >
> > > At our core, the Internet Society is a collaborative and consultative
> > > body. This is part of our DNA and will forever be part of it; however,
> > > time sensitivities, confidentiality, and complex legal requirements
> > > surrounding this deal have meant that we have not been able to involve
> > > our community as fully as we would have liked.
> > >
> > > In late November, we hosted a conversation with all our members to
> > > help address community concerns. In addition, there have been several
> > > blog posts by the trustees and Andrew to explain what the deal means
> > > for the community, and how it will help us continue our work together
> > > in support of our common mission. The chapter-selected trustees also
> > > held a call with the ChAC where they responded to their questions.
> > > Beyond these touch points, PIR, ISOC, and Ethos Capital have set up a
> > > public website www.keypointsabout.org
> <https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=01906ef7-5d1aa429-01902e6c-86823e270a62-ec98963f873e8aba&q=1&e=f002f2d0-0ffe-4797-ac97-c5eef926276a&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.keypointsabout.org%2F>,
> to provide more clarity around
> > > the transaction and to address questions and concerns. In addition to
> > > this, we have been planning more touchpoints between the Board and the
> > > community, both in person and online. The Chapter AC letter further
> > > highlights the need for these touchpoints, so I would like to kick
> > > this off with a webinar for chapter leaders during February, followed
> > > by another online session in March. There will also be an opportunity
> > > for those in Cancun at ICANN67
> > >   to connect with some of the trustees in person.
> > >
> > > It remains important that the opinions we all form around this deal
> > > are based on an accurate view of the facts. A lot of misinformation
> > > has been circulated about the deal, and this has detracted
> > > significantly from an understanding of the value that the transaction
> > > will bring to the Internet Society, our chapters, the work of our
> > > members, and ultimately the Internet, a resource we all believe is for
> > > the greater good of society at large.  This deal will ensure ISOC's
> > > community efforts to build, promote, and defend the Internet can
> > > continue, with proper and sustained funding, at a time when user
> > > trust, government intervention, and walled gardens are making our work
> > > more important than ever.
> > >
> > > I want to assure all of you that all of us on the Board are listening.
> > > We are available to answer your questions, because we recognize the
> > > importance of having an open dialogue where concerns can be raised and
> > > opinions shared. We welcome what you have to say, and we hope that we
> > > can all move forward together toward a bigger, stronger Internet.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, please watch out for the invitation to the webinar
> > > session later this month which I very much hope you will be able to
> > > attend.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Gonzalo
> > > Chair - ISOC BoT
> > >
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