[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China

Mon Feb 22 14:08:37 PST 2016

John, 
nice to hear your opinion.  Just for clarification  - is there any
dependance between ISOC and ISOC Chapter?
Grigori Saghyan
ISOC.AM

On 23.02.2016 1:18, JOHN MORE wrote:
> Alan
>
> Under your regime, anyone could use Internet Society for any purpose,
> including ones antithetical to what ISOC stands for. NGO's have just
> as much need for protection as anyone. 
>
> John More
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 22, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za
> <mailto:alan at isoc.org.za>> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 22 Feb 2016, at 12:59 PM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com
>> <mailto:vint at google.com>> wrote:
>>> actually, the concept of trademark and copyright is not US-centric.
>>> There is something call the World Intellectual Property Organization
>>> and its membership is quite international.
>>
>> Yes, although afaik sadly many governments were pressurised into
>> joining WIPO (primarily by the US) and have not always done it for
>> the right intentions… 
>>
>> I have always believed that the ISOC is a proponent of openness in
>> all it's forms and imho the term "Internet Society" should rather
>> follow a more commons approach...
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za
>>> <mailto:alan at isoc.org.za>> wrote:
>>> Vint,
>>>
>>> On 21 Feb 2016, at 8:41 PM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com
>>> <mailto:vint at google.com>> wrote:
>>>> Alan, the question is whether these chapters usurp the good name of
>>>> the Internet Society for their own purposes and give others the
>>>> impression that their works are sanctioned by the organisation. 
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for your wisdom always :)
>>>
>>> I agree!
>>>
>>> And my note was just to say that I do not believe that the Chinese
>>> Internet Society do that. If anything they keep us all wide awake
>>> especially with regards to the US centricity of the concept of
>>> "Intellectual Property".
>>>
>>> Sincerely
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za
>>>> <mailto:alan at isoc.org.za>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Glenn,
>>>>
>>>> ISOC South Africa has a peer based relationship with ISOC China. We
>>>> respect their reasons for not falling under the paternalistic
>>>> banner of ISOC global and we believe that they do good work within
>>>> their cultural boundaries. We tow the line as best as we can as a
>>>> Chapter structure although at the same time we respect our rights
>>>> to sovereignty in our geography. As far as I know ISOC China has
>>>> never claimed to be an ISOC Chapter and is overtly sovereign.
>>>>
>>>> If you're speaking about elections, I'm not sure if someone pushing
>>>> the intellectual property of a community based organisation rates
>>>> above issues like education, policy making, public participation, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Feb 2016, at 5:58 PM, Glenn McKnight
>>>> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi All
>>>> > For the record  I have  been  asking for  our  attention to the
>>>>  ISOC  Toronto  issue for three years.  As  one of the advocates
>>>>  to create a legitimate  ISOC Chapter  in Canada ( one of two)
>>>>  this  group not only steals the site but is gathering information
>>>> on interested parties.  How  many people have surrendered their
>>>>  contact information to a mystery group without any accountability.
>>>> >
>>>> > If ISOC allows  it's  brand to be  stolen, hijacked and
>>>> misrepresented by false and misleading groups  we  have a serious
>>>>  problem.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would like the  silent nominees  for the ISOC Board get off
>>>> their  hands and wade into this issue.   This should be  an
>>>> election issue that forces the nominees into the discussion.  If
>>>> they are silent  why are they running for the board?
>>>> > Glenn
>>>> >
>>>> > Glenn McKnight
>>>> > mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>> > skype  gmcknight
>>>> > twitter gmcknight
>>>> > .
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org
>>>> <mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
>>>> > Based on previous experience, I believe China would be difficult
>>>> regardless of trademark issues.  But if you click on the
>>>> isoctoronto link below, they seem to have actually hijacked our
>>>> whole website, which adds significantly to the confusion.  Michael
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >
>>>> > On 21 Feb 2016, at 16:07, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com
>>>> <mailto:vint at google.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand -
>>>> they eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really
>>>> unhappy about this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ
>>>> and eventually they changed leadership and their attitude. The
>>>> Chinese have been using the name for a long time without any
>>>> affiliation. I think it may be hard to get them to stop - the
>>>> trademark world is rife with cases where failure to defend the
>>>> mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be trademarked
>>>> except it has to refer to the "network of networks" we call
>>>> "Internet" (a ten year battle against a banking consortium that was
>>>> granted the trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and
>>>> $100K in legal fees and only went away when there was a change in
>>>> management that didn't think it was worth fighting further.).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> v
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight
>>>> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Folks
>>>> >> Recently the  ICANN ATLARGE  voted to include the civil society
>>>> organization called    Internet Society China into the  ALS
>>>> membership of APRALO.   They are not a  ISOC  Chapter.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have  tried to bring up the issue of  organizations that
>>>> confuse the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter.  But
>>>>  no one has  taken notice.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>  I have  been notified  ISOC  that  the  www.isoctoronto.org
>>>> <http://www.isoctoronto.org>    has been  a rogue  site for  a few
>>>> years   I am including a screencapture of the  registration page
>>>> they have  people  falsely add their information.
>>>> >> We need to have a process of  dealing with these type of  false
>>>> or rogue sites that  misinform the public.   Since  ISOC is
>>>>  branding itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a
>>>> blind eye to this situation we have a problem.
>>>> >> Glenn
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Glenn McKnight
>>>> >> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>> >> skype  gmcknight
>>>> >> twitter gmcknight
>>>> >> .
>>>> >>
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