[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China

Mon Feb 22 13:18:07 PST 2016

Alan

Under your regime, anyone could use Internet Society for any purpose, including ones antithetical to what ISOC stands for. NGO's have just as much need for protection as anyone. 

John More
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> On Feb 22, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> On 22 Feb 2016, at 12:59 PM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>> actually, the concept of trademark and copyright is not US-centric. There is something call the World Intellectual Property Organization and its membership is quite international.
> 
> Yes, although afaik sadly many governments were pressurised into joining WIPO (primarily by the US) and have not always done it for the right intentions… 
> 
> I have always believed that the ISOC is a proponent of openness in all it's forms and imho the term "Internet Society" should rather follow a more commons approach...
> 
> Sincerely
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 5:36 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za> wrote:
>> Vint,
>> 
>>> On 21 Feb 2016, at 8:41 PM, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>>> Alan, the question is whether these chapters usurp the good name of the Internet Society for their own purposes and give others the impression that their works are sanctioned by the organisation. 
>> 
>> Thank you so much for your wisdom always :)
>> 
>> I agree!
>> 
>> And my note was just to say that I do not believe that the Chinese Internet Society do that. If anything they keep us all wide awake especially with regards to the US centricity of the concept of "Intellectual Property".
>> 
>> Sincerely
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za> wrote:
>>> Hi Glenn,
>>> 
>>> ISOC South Africa has a peer based relationship with ISOC China. We respect their reasons for not falling under the paternalistic banner of ISOC global and we believe that they do good work within their cultural boundaries. We tow the line as best as we can as a Chapter structure although at the same time we respect our rights to sovereignty in our geography. As far as I know ISOC China has never claimed to be an ISOC Chapter and is overtly sovereign.
>>> 
>>> If you're speaking about elections, I'm not sure if someone pushing the intellectual property of a community based organisation rates above issues like education, policy making, public participation, etc.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> On 21 Feb 2016, at 5:58 PM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Hi All
>>> > For the record  I have  been  asking for  our  attention to the  ISOC  Toronto  issue for three years.  As  one of the advocates  to create a legitimate  ISOC Chapter  in Canada ( one of two)  this  group not only steals the site but is gathering information on interested parties.  How  many people have surrendered their  contact information to a mystery group without any accountability.
>>> >
>>> > If ISOC allows  it's  brand to be  stolen, hijacked and misrepresented by false and misleading groups  we  have a serious  problem.
>>> >
>>> > I would like the  silent nominees  for the ISOC Board get off their  hands and wade into this issue.   This should be  an election issue that forces the nominees into the discussion.  If they are silent  why are they running for the board?
>>> > Glenn
>>> >
>>> > Glenn McKnight
>>> > mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>> > skype  gmcknight
>>> > twitter gmcknight
>>> > .
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>>> > Based on previous experience, I believe China would be difficult regardless of trademark issues.  But if you click on the isoctoronto link below, they seem to have actually hijacked our whole website, which adds significantly to the confusion.  Michael
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> > On 21 Feb 2016, at 16:07, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand - they eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really unhappy about this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ and eventually they changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have been using the name for a long time without any affiliation. I think it may be hard to get them to stop - the trademark world is rife with cases where failure to defend the mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be trademarked except it has to refer to the "network of networks" we call "Internet" (a ten year battle against a banking consortium that was granted the trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and $100K in legal fees and only went away when there was a change in management that didn't think it was worth fighting further.).
>>> >>
>>> >> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?
>>> >>
>>> >> v
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Hi Folks
>>> >> Recently the  ICANN ATLARGE  voted to include the civil society organization called    Internet Society China into the  ALS membership of APRALO.   They are not a  ISOC  Chapter.
>>> >>
>>> >> I have  tried to bring up the issue of  organizations that confuse the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter.  But  no one has  taken notice.
>>> >>
>>> >>  I have  been notified  ISOC  that  the  www.isoctoronto.org    has been  a rogue  site for  a few years   I am including a screencapture of the  registration page they have  people  falsely add their information.
>>> >> We need to have a process of  dealing with these type of  false or rogue sites that  misinform the public.   Since  ISOC is  branding itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a blind eye to this situation we have a problem.
>>> >> Glenn
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Glenn McKnight
>>> >> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>> >> skype  gmcknight
>>> >> twitter gmcknight
>>> >> .
>>> >>
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