[Chapter-delegates] How do we incorporate China and other countries that are different?
Vint Cerf
vint at google.com
Sun Feb 21 21:58:27 PST 2016
dave,
Professor Hualin Qian (ICANN Board of Directors) was on the board during my
tenure as chairman.
v
On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:43 PM, Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com> wrote:
> Alejandro
>
> No mainland Chinese are on the board now and I do not believe there have
> been any at least since 2010. I should have said "mainland Chinese" but the
> primary point stands.
>
> No disrespect for Kuo-Wei Wu or the many other honorable members of the
> ICANN board, but it's easy to see who is and is not represented.
>
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> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Alejandro Pisanty <apisanty at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Dave,
>>
>> though this may puncture a balloon, there has been at least one Chinese
>> citizen, national and resident in the ICANN Board.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Dave Burstein <daveb at dslprime.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kathy and folk, with respect
>>>
>>> Using the name Internet Society of CHina is tasteless, but there are
>>> much more important issues in this discussion.
>>>
>>> China has twice as many Internet users as the U.S. and the gap is
>>> growing at 5-8M users per year. Africa is about to pass 315M Internet
>>> users, the entire population of the United States. (Cisco data.) Cheap
>>> smartphones are bringing two *billion* more people to the Internet. We
>>> all think that's a great thing.
>>>
>>> *I do not believe Internet governance (or ISOC) can be effective with
>>> the majority of world Internet users excluded.* As Ambassador Phil
>>> Verveer said to me the night of the ITU WCIT vote, "We must build bridges."
>>>
>>> *It's time for a Nixon Goes to China move for the Internet. *Kathy,
>>> Vint or whoever is leading us should be finding a way to work with all
>>> nations. Bob Kahn, an Internet Society founder, might be one natural link.
>>> He spoke at that conference in China, as did several other Internet Society
>>> supporters.
>>>
>>> I'm not blind to how many people starved in the 1950's in China, what
>>> happened at Tiananmen Square, or the speech limitations in China today. I'm
>>> also not blind to what America did in Vietnam or the $billions being spent
>>> to buy the U.S. elections.
>>>
>>> I'm sure we all can make lawyer-like arguments here. But it's missing
>>> the key issue. We need to solve the North-South divide about the Internet.
>>>
>>> In Dubai at the WCIT a few hours before that vote, I asked Larry
>>> Strickling why the U.S. was fighting so hard over what seemed to me some
>>> very minor issues, at most of symbolic value. He looked at me and asked,
>>> "Dave, do you want Russia or China to be running the Internet?" We both
>>> went back to work.
>>>
>>> Later, I realized I should have said, "Of course I want Russia and China
>>> to have a meaningful role. If we continue to exclude them, ultimately the
>>> Internet will split."
>>>
>>> I did not know at that time that no Chinese were on the Board of ICANN
>>> because that would not be acceptable to the U.S.
>>>
>>> The Internet Society should be leading the way. Excluding China - and so
>>> many others - I believe will fail.
>>>
>>> --------------
>>>
>>> Which doesn't say anything about whether this is the right way to handle
>>> who is a civil society group. That's a side issue. The big question is
>>> whether the ICANN board and the decision makers of all important groups
>>> here see more than one side of the North South divide.
>>>
>>> Dave Burstein.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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