[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China
Keith Davidson
keith at internetnz.net.nz
Sun Feb 21 19:33:16 PST 2016
Hi Vint, all,
I remember your concerns at that time, and it was later, on my watch as
CEO of the organisation, that we changed the name to InternetNZ. Most
importantly, we never sought to pass off or delude anyone that we were
some part of ISOC along the way.
Anyway, this has been fixed for very many years now.
Cheers
Keith
On 22/02/2016 11:45 a.m., Vint Cerf wrote:
> Keith,
>
> in that case, it would have been appropriate for the NZ group to select
> a different name - I was much put out by the action of this group as you
> can no doubt tell. I definitely did not take this as a compliment.
>
> v
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Keith Davidson <keith at internetnz.net.nz
> <mailto:keith at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
>
> Just to clarify Vint's comments a little, and to protect the fair
> name of New Zealand, "The Internet Society of New Zealand" was
> established in 1995 as an incorporated society, with an original
> idea of becoming a chapter of ISOC. ISOC-NZ's charter was primarily
> using ISOC's vision and mission in its constitution also. It was
> also formed to run the .nz ccTLD. At that time, ISOC had some
> draconian rules and costs for chapters, at a time that ISOC-NZ was
> charging about US$35 membership fee, ISOC wanted a US$50 per member
> patriation fee. Also, chapters were prohibited in making any public
> statements, which would have meant ISOC-NZ was unable to make
> comment on its operation of .nz without ISOC approval.
>
> Some years later, ISOC-NZ changed its name to "Internet-NZ", and was
> also finally able to find a way of supporting ISOC globally through
> becoming an "organisational member". InternetNZ remains an ISOC
> organisational member, and is a strong supporter of ISOC.
>
> So really it wasn't so much a case of a hijack, although I
> understand for ISOC (and Vint) it might have appeared that way. In
> hindsight, it would have been wiser for us to have avoided the ISOC
> name in NZ, but it was not any desire to capitalise on the global
> brand of ISOC, but much more a desire to harmonise with ISOC.
>
> Cheers
>
> Keith
>
>
> On 22/02/2016 4:07 a.m., Vint Cerf wrote:
>
> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand - they
> eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really unhappy
> about
> this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ and
> eventually they
> changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have been
> using the
> name for a long time without any affiliation. I think it may be
> hard to
> get them to stop - the trademark world is rife with cases where
> failure
> to defend the mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be
> trademarked except it has to refer to the "network of networks"
> we call
> "Internet" (a ten year battle against a banking consortium that was
> granted the trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and
> $100K
> in legal fees and only went away when there was a change in
> management
> that didn't think it was worth fighting further.).
>
> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.
>
> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?
>
> v
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight
> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
> Recently the ICANN ATLARGE voted to include the civil society
> organization called Internet Society China into the ALS
> membership of APRALO. They are not a ISOC Chapter.
>
> I have tried to bring up the issue of organizations that
> confuse
> the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter. But
> no one has
> taken notice.
>
> I have been notified ISOC that the
> www.isoctoronto.org <http://www.isoctoronto.org>
> <http://www.isoctoronto.org> has been a rogue site
> for a few
> years I am including a screencapture of the registration
> page
> they have people falsely add their information.
> We need to have a process of dealing with these type of
> false or
> rogue sites that misinform the public. Since ISOC is
> branding
> itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a blind
> eye to
> this situation we have a problem.
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
> Glenn McKnight
> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>>
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