[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China
Mauro D. Rios
mdrios at gmail.com
Sun Feb 21 18:56:16 PST 2016
Dear Keith,
Dear all,
For me, the point is clear now, in retrospective of the Internet
Association of NZ,...as Vint says, no doubt could have spared a lot of
headache and confusion if they had chosen another name from the start. Or
if they had chosen to become a chapter meeting the requirements completely.
In both cases I understood the reasons, but the decisions remain to me,
some not very happy.
regards,
- - - - - - - - - -
*Mauro D. Ríos.-*
Board member
*Internet Society *
Uruguay Chapter
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2016-02-21 19:45 GMT-03:00 Vint Cerf <vint at google.com>:
> Keith,
>
> in that case, it would have been appropriate for the NZ group to select a
> different name - I was much put out by the action of this group as you can
> no doubt tell. I definitely did not take this as a compliment.
>
> v
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Keith Davidson <keith at internetnz.net.nz>
> wrote:
>
>> Just to clarify Vint's comments a little, and to protect the fair name of
>> New Zealand, "The Internet Society of New Zealand" was established in 1995
>> as an incorporated society, with an original idea of becoming a chapter of
>> ISOC. ISOC-NZ's charter was primarily using ISOC's vision and mission in
>> its constitution also. It was also formed to run the .nz ccTLD. At that
>> time, ISOC had some draconian rules and costs for chapters, at a time that
>> ISOC-NZ was charging about US$35 membership fee, ISOC wanted a US$50 per
>> member patriation fee. Also, chapters were prohibited in making any public
>> statements, which would have meant ISOC-NZ was unable to make comment on
>> its operation of .nz without ISOC approval.
>>
>> Some years later, ISOC-NZ changed its name to "Internet-NZ", and was also
>> finally able to find a way of supporting ISOC globally through becoming an
>> "organisational member". InternetNZ remains an ISOC organisational member,
>> and is a strong supporter of ISOC.
>>
>> So really it wasn't so much a case of a hijack, although I understand for
>> ISOC (and Vint) it might have appeared that way. In hindsight, it would
>> have been wiser for us to have avoided the ISOC name in NZ, but it was not
>> any desire to capitalise on the global brand of ISOC, but much more a
>> desire to harmonise with ISOC.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> On 22/02/2016 4:07 a.m., Vint Cerf wrote:
>>
>>> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand - they
>>> eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really unhappy about
>>> this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ and eventually they
>>> changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have been using the
>>> name for a long time without any affiliation. I think it may be hard to
>>> get them to stop - the trademark world is rife with cases where failure
>>> to defend the mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be
>>> trademarked except it has to refer to the "network of networks" we call
>>> "Internet" (a ten year battle against a banking consortium that was
>>> granted the trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and $100K
>>> in legal fees and only went away when there was a change in management
>>> that didn't think it was worth fighting further.).
>>>
>>> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.
>>>
>>> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?
>>>
>>> v
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight
>>> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Folks
>>> Recently the ICANN ATLARGE voted to include the civil society
>>> organization called Internet Society China into the ALS
>>> membership of APRALO. They are not a ISOC Chapter.
>>>
>>> I have tried to bring up the issue of organizations that confuse
>>> the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter. But no one has
>>> taken notice.
>>>
>>> I have been notified ISOC that the www.isoctoronto.org
>>> <http://www.isoctoronto.org> has been a rogue site for a few
>>> years I am including a screencapture of the registration page
>>> they have people falsely add their information.
>>> We need to have a process of dealing with these type of false or
>>> rogue sites that misinform the public. Since ISOC is branding
>>> itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a blind eye to
>>> this situation we have a problem.
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Glenn McKnight
>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>> skype gmcknight
>>> twitter gmcknight
>>> .
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