[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China

Veni Markovski veni at veni.com
Sun Feb 21 15:27:46 PST 2016 

When I was on the board of trustees of ISOC, Lynn sent this letter to the
Economist. It may be helpful for the history, but also to show that many
things have changed since 2002. http://www.economist.com/node/1352732


Chinese wall

SIR – Your article on censorship of the Internet in China referred to an
organisation backed by the Chinese government that calls itself the
Internet Society of China (“Stop your searching
<http://www.economist.com/node/1318573>”, September 7th). I want to make it
clear that this group is in no way affiliated to the Internet Society (ISOC),
a global not-for-profit membership organisation founded in 1991 to provide
leadership in Internet-related standards, education and policy development.

The attempt at censorship in China is diametrically opposed to our
principles and we would never endorse a pledge to limit the dissemination
of information nor similar actions that you describe. ISOC's primary
mission is to expand stable and secure use of the Internet worldwide and to
encourage openness, transparency and democratic processes. Access to the
Internet is an important ingredient in the free flow of information
necessary for the long-term welfare of all countries. Government-imposed
limitations on access to search engines, as proposed by China, serve
neither citizens nor their governments.

Lynn St Amour

President and CEO

Internet Society

Reston, Virginia



On Sunday, February 21, 2016, Vint Cerf <vint at google.com> wrote:

> Keith,
>
> in that case, it would have been appropriate for the NZ group to select a
> different name - I was much put out by the action of this group as you can
> no doubt tell. I definitely did not take this as a compliment.
>
> v
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Keith Davidson <keith at internetnz.net.nz
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','keith at internetnz.net.nz');>> wrote:
>
>> Just to clarify Vint's comments a little, and to protect the fair name of
>> New Zealand, "The Internet Society of New Zealand" was established in 1995
>> as an incorporated society, with an original idea of becoming a chapter of
>> ISOC. ISOC-NZ's charter was primarily using ISOC's vision and mission in
>> its constitution also. It was also formed to run the .nz ccTLD. At that
>> time, ISOC had some draconian rules and costs for chapters, at a time that
>> ISOC-NZ was charging about US$35 membership fee, ISOC wanted a US$50 per
>> member patriation fee. Also, chapters were prohibited in making any public
>> statements, which would have meant ISOC-NZ was unable to make comment on
>> its operation of .nz without ISOC approval.
>>
>> Some years later, ISOC-NZ changed its name to "Internet-NZ", and was also
>> finally able to find a way of supporting ISOC globally through becoming an
>> "organisational member". InternetNZ remains an ISOC organisational member,
>> and is a strong supporter of ISOC.
>>
>> So really it wasn't so much a case of a hijack, although I understand for
>> ISOC (and Vint) it might have appeared that way. In hindsight, it would
>> have been wiser for us to have avoided the ISOC name in NZ, but it was not
>> any desire to capitalise on the global brand of ISOC, but much more a
>> desire to harmonise with ISOC.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Keith
>>
>>
>> On 22/02/2016 4:07 a.m., Vint Cerf wrote:
>>
>>> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand - they
>>> eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really unhappy about
>>> this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ and eventually they
>>> changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have been using the
>>> name for a long time without any affiliation. I think it may be hard to
>>> get them to stop - the trademark world is rife with cases where failure
>>> to defend the mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be
>>> trademarked except it has to refer to the "network of networks" we call
>>> "Internet" (a ten year battle against a banking consortium that was
>>> granted the trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and $100K
>>> in legal fees and only went away when there was a change in management
>>> that didn't think it was worth fighting further.).
>>>
>>> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.
>>>
>>> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?
>>>
>>> v
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight
>>> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcknight.glenn at gmail.com');> <mailto:
>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcknight.glenn at gmail.com');>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Folks
>>>     Recently the  ICANN ATLARGE  voted to include the civil society
>>>     organization called    Internet Society China into the  ALS
>>>     membership of APRALO.   They are not a  ISOC  Chapter.
>>>
>>>     I have  tried to bring up the issue of  organizations that confuse
>>>     the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter.  But  no one has
>>>       taken notice.
>>>
>>>       I have  been notified  ISOC  that  the www.isoctoronto.org
>>>     <http://www.isoctoronto.org>    has been  a rogue  site for  a few
>>>     years   I am including a screencapture of the  registration page
>>>     they have  people  falsely add their information.
>>>     We need to have a process of  dealing with these type of  false or
>>>     rogue sites that  misinform the public.   Since  ISOC is  branding
>>>     itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a blind eye to
>>>     this situation we have a problem.
>>>     Glenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Glenn McKnight
>>>     mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcknight.glenn at gmail.com');> <mailto:
>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mcknight.glenn at gmail.com');>>
>>>     skype  gmcknight
>>>     twitter gmcknight
>>>     .
>>>
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touchscreen keyboard. Also, that's the reason for using short words and
phrases.
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