[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China

[Vint Cerf]

Keith,

in that case, it would have been appropriate for the NZ group to select a
different name - I was much put out by the action of this group as you can
no doubt tell. I definitely did not take this as a compliment.

v


On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Keith Davidson <keith at internetnz.net.nz>
wrote:

> Just to clarify Vint's comments a little, and to protect the fair name of
> New Zealand, "The Internet Society of New Zealand" was established in 1995
> as an incorporated society, with an original idea of becoming a chapter of
> ISOC. ISOC-NZ's charter was primarily using ISOC's vision and mission in
> its constitution also. It was also formed to run the .nz ccTLD. At that
> time, ISOC had some draconian rules and costs for chapters, at a time that
> ISOC-NZ was charging about US$35 membership fee, ISOC wanted a US$50 per
> member patriation fee. Also, chapters were prohibited in making any public
> statements, which would have meant ISOC-NZ was unable to make comment on
> its operation of .nz without ISOC approval.
>
> Some years later, ISOC-NZ changed its name to "Internet-NZ", and was also
> finally able to find a way of supporting ISOC globally through becoming an
> "organisational member". InternetNZ remains an ISOC organisational member,
> and is a strong supporter of ISOC.
>
> So really it wasn't so much a case of a hijack, although I understand for
> ISOC (and Vint) it might have appeared that way. In hindsight, it would
> have been wiser for us to have avoided the ISOC name in NZ, but it was not
> any desire to capitalise on the global brand of ISOC, but much more a
> desire to harmonise with ISOC.
>
> Cheers
>
> Keith
>
>
> On 22/02/2016 4:07 a.m., Vint Cerf wrote:
>
>> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand - they
>> eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really unhappy about
>> this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ and eventually they
>> changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have been using the
>> name for a long time without any affiliation. I think it may be hard to
>> get them to stop - the trademark world is rife with cases where failure
>> to defend the mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be
>> trademarked except it has to refer to the "network of networks" we call
>> "Internet" (a ten year battle against a banking consortium that was
>> granted the trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and $100K
>> in legal fees and only went away when there was a change in management
>> that didn't think it was worth fighting further.).
>>
>> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.
>>
>> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?
>>
>> v
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight
>> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Folks
>>     Recently the  ICANN ATLARGE  voted to include the civil society
>>     organization called    Internet Society China into the  ALS
>>     membership of APRALO.   They are not a  ISOC  Chapter.
>>
>>     I have  tried to bring up the issue of  organizations that confuse
>>     the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter.  But  no one has
>>       taken notice.
>>
>>       I have  been notified  ISOC  that  the www.isoctoronto.org
>>     <http://www.isoctoronto.org>    has been  a rogue  site for  a few
>>     years   I am including a screencapture of the  registration page
>>     they have  people  falsely add their information.
>>     We need to have a process of  dealing with these type of  false or
>>     rogue sites that  misinform the public.   Since  ISOC is  branding
>>     itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a blind eye to
>>     this situation we have a problem.
>>     Glenn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     Glenn McKnight
>>     mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>     skype  gmcknight
>>     twitter gmcknight
>>     .
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