[Chapter-delegates] New ATLARGE Structure Internet Society China

[Keith Davidson]

Just to clarify Vint's comments a little, and to protect the fair name 
of New Zealand, "The Internet Society of New Zealand" was established in 
1995 as an incorporated society, with an original idea of becoming a 
chapter of ISOC. ISOC-NZ's charter was primarily using ISOC's vision and 
mission in its constitution also. It was also formed to run the .nz 
ccTLD. At that time, ISOC had some draconian rules and costs for 
chapters, at a time that ISOC-NZ was charging about US$35 membership 
fee, ISOC wanted a US$50 per member patriation fee. Also, chapters were 
prohibited in making any public statements, which would have meant 
ISOC-NZ was unable to make comment on its operation of .nz without ISOC 
approval.

Some years later, ISOC-NZ changed its name to "Internet-NZ", and was 
also finally able to find a way of supporting ISOC globally through 
becoming an "organisational member". InternetNZ remains an ISOC 
organisational member, and is a strong supporter of ISOC.

So really it wasn't so much a case of a hijack, although I understand 
for ISOC (and Vint) it might have appeared that way. In hindsight, it 
would have been wiser for us to have avoided the ISOC name in NZ, but it 
was not any desire to capitalise on the global brand of ISOC, but much 
more a desire to harmonise with ISOC.

Cheers

Keith


On 22/02/2016 4:07 a.m., Vint Cerf wrote:
> ISOC of New Zealand also hijacked the Internet Society brand - they
> eventually rebranded themselves, I believe. I am really unhappy about
> this kind of thing. I tried for quite a while re NZ and eventually they
> changed leadership and their attitude. The Chinese have been using the
> name for a long time without any affiliation. I think it may be hard to
> get them to stop - the trademark world is rife with cases where failure
> to defend the mark loses control. The term "Internet" cannot be
> trademarked except it has to refer to the "network of networks" we call
> "Internet" (a ten year battle against a banking consortium that was
> granted the trademark to "Internet" - it cost CNRI ten years and $100K
> in legal fees and only went away when there was a change in management
> that didn't think it was worth fighting further.).
>
> I am glad to see that Kathy is going to dig into this further.
>
> Kathy, do we have a recorded trademark for "internet society" ?
>
> v
>
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> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Glenn McKnight
> <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Folks
>     Recently the  ICANN ATLARGE  voted to include the civil society
>     organization called    Internet Society China into the  ALS
>     membership of APRALO.   They are not a  ISOC  Chapter.
>
>     I have  tried to bring up the issue of  organizations that confuse
>     the public as to what is a legitimate ISOC chapter.  But  no one has
>       taken notice.
>
>       I have  been notified  ISOC  that  the www.isoctoronto.org
>     <http://www.isoctoronto.org>    has been  a rogue  site for  a few
>     years   I am including a screencapture of the  registration page
>     they have  people  falsely add their information.
>     We need to have a process of  dealing with these type of  false or
>     rogue sites that  misinform the public.   Since  ISOC is  branding
>     itself as a viable strong organization and it turns a blind eye to
>     this situation we have a problem.
>     Glenn
>
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>
>     Glenn McKnight
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