[Chapter-delegates] ISOC-NY President Resigns

Alfredo Calderon calderon.alfredo at gmail.com
Fri Apr 8 06:29:31 PDT 2016 

Agree with Glenn as he clearly distinguishes between administrative duties
and the real purpose of Chapters: Outreach and Engage.


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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Folks
> Lets  be clear.   David's  work  bridged two worlds.  Outreach and
> Engagement and the face of ISOC NY  which was the first  chapter that most
>  Canadians joined in the absence of a ISOC Canada chapter over four years
> ago.   The other tasks and responsibility was the mundane and boring stuff.
> ie. administration
> He and others  can't do both jobs and it's unreasonable to expect anyone
> to do both.
>
> Another  issue.  I brought up the need for chapters to have funds to pay
> for  Officers and Director  Errors and Omission Insurance and  proper
> Liability insurance for events,  an annual  financial review/audit.   These
> are real  expenses and a mark of  professional organization but  when I
> mentioned these things  I got shot down saying we don't have any MONEY.
> If you don't do these proper things  you will  be  SUED  as a director.
> How can you recruit new board members/counsellors ( whatever you call
> yourself) if you do  public  events and speak out on Internet issues. Any
> organization is at risk of  litigation.
>
> My checklist for a chapter
> 1. Proper accounting system
> 2. Good  CMS
> 3. Good Website and online payment system for membership
> 4. Collateral material
> 5. Banners and promotional stuff
> 6. Active committees
> 7. Active participation with  ISOC  campaigns.  ie. INTERNET STRONG,
>  Colloborative Security etc
> 8 Sufficient  insurance to protect directors
> 9 Annual General Meeting
> 10 Once a year large educational event
>
> My two cents
> G
>
> Glenn
>
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> .
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Alfredo Calderon <
> calderon.alfredo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all:
>>
>> Great points made by all. As a Board member of the ISOC-PR I have to
>> agree.  We are a non-profit organization that meets state laws that
>> "implies paying resources to keep the structure properly organized and up
>> to date based on the local regulations (paymet for accountant fees, etc)".
>> We have submitted proposals and been awarded funds to develop activities.
>> However, it would be great to have a regional staff (southeastern U.S.)
>> that could aid us on a daily basis to have more time to outreach and engage
>> more individuals in volunteering.
>>
>> "We are doing more with less. What would happen if we had more support?"
>>
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>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Carlos, dear all.
>>>
>>> Carlos, in ISOC Argentina we face the same diffitulties so thanks for
>>> bringing this up.
>>>
>>> Regarding Raul and Joyce comment´s about what is available today from
>>> ISOC to chapters, we thank you for that but it is not enough.
>>>
>>> ISOC Argentina chapter is registered at the national level as a non for
>>> profit association and this implies paying resources to keep the structure
>>> properly organized and up to date based on the local regulations (paymet
>>> for accountant fees, lawyer fees and a part time secretary).
>>>
>>> As Carlos correctly states in his email, the availability of the funds
>>> is not very easy. And it is not enough for maintaining this structure.
>>>
>>> The chapter wants to remain using this legal structure, as we consider
>>> it relevant for transparency and accountability: funds are recieved in a
>>> bank acoount of the Chapter (NOT in a personal board member account) and
>>> leadership positions are renewed every two years by voting.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, ISOC Chapters must face the problem of *what seems
>>> to be a total dissasociation of ISOC activities and ISOC Chapter activities*.
>>> Chapters are not informed about activities that ISOC is doing at the
>>> national level, and this brings a higly confusing message to the broad
>>> community.
>>>
>>> ISOC chapter must be the first point of contact for all the activities
>>> that ISOC is doing at the national level, ISOC must partner the local
>>> chapter. In this way both will enhance their presence and will make the
>>> message stronger and properly aligned.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Olga
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 2016-04-08 8:24 GMT-03:00 Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. <crg at isoc-cr.org>:
>>>
>>>> Thank you very much Raúl!
>>>>
>>>> “Clarity” would be the best help from our perspective. 2 years ago it
>>>> was our expectation that we could count with up to $2000/year. Last year
>>>> the expectation was raised to $3´500/year. But each of our requests was
>>>> returned with warnings that we have missed deadlines and that we had´t read
>>>> the small print, etc. etc. The amounts possible keep increasing, but the
>>>> conditions keep also evolving and we don´t have a CFO that can keep track
>>>> of all the new programs. We just need some basic local administrative and
>>>> membership support we can count on before we go out and do bigger shows.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>>> +506 8837 7176
>>>> Skype: carlos.raulg
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>>>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 21:45, Raul Echeberria wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am following this thread with a lot of attention and taking notes of
>>>>> what is said.
>>>>> As Joyce has pointed out, we already spend good amount of resources on
>>>>> what we think are ways to support our chapters, but not necessarily are the
>>>>> things chapters need more.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m very interested in having this discussion to see if we can agree
>>>>> of what we really need. Some things could be affordable, others not. But we
>>>>> will know that only if we understand better what are the needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The new Chapter Advisory Council and its steering committee should be
>>>>> catalyzers in that discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let’s take advantage of this new structure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Raúl
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> El 7 abr. 2016, a las 9:16 p.m., John More <morej1 at mac.com<mailto:
>>>>> morej1 at mac.com>> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith and others -
>>>>>
>>>>> Great points.
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on my lengthy experience with organizations that have local
>>>>> chapters, I have long advocated that ISOC to be really effective should
>>>>> create a structure where Chapters would have local paid staff — both
>>>>> administrative and more importantly ISOC-trained local organizers to do the
>>>>> higher level activities of supporting the Board and volunteers in carrying
>>>>> out local/country Chapter activities, recruiting new active volunteers,
>>>>> organizing events, raising local funds, etc.  Few volunteers are just
>>>>> sitting around with nothing to do, and so that have to work double-time or
>>>>> short-change their other business or interests.
>>>>>
>>>>> I note that Chapters need to be accountable funding from ISOC should
>>>>> be linked with Chapters’ raising local funds — based upon what might be
>>>>> reasonable for the local economy.  Otherwise the Chapter has no ownership
>>>>> and is just receiving a gift.
>>>>>
>>>>> We should recognize that it is not as if ISOC does not provide a wide
>>>>> range of support for Chapters, including training, grants for events, and
>>>>> funds for projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have proposed this proven model of how to create and maintain
>>>>> effective chapters to various Society leaders.  Still waiting for at least
>>>>> a serious effort to see what this would look like and how it might work. A
>>>>> good project fir the new Chapter Advisory Council.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> John More
>>>>> Co-Convenor & Treasurer
>>>>> The Greater Washington DC Chapter
>>>>>        of the Internet Society
>>>>> 202-256-1515
>>>>> morej1 at mac.com<mailto:morej1 at mac.com>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Keith Davidson <keith at internetnz.net.nz
>>>>> <mailto:keith at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Sivasubramanian, all,
>>>>>
>>>>> It certainly is an option to provide some funding to a chapter. But I
>>>>> wonder if there might be greater value from resources provided by ISOC. In
>>>>> the Asia Pacific area, for example, it could be possible to add staff to
>>>>> the AP Regional Bureau, who's role is specifically to support chapters in
>>>>> the region. So you could have multiple chapters receiving secretarial and
>>>>> treasury support, website maintenance, membership recruitment, further
>>>>> chapter development etc, and all could have consistency in terms of
>>>>> overarching ISOC principles, strategy etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the first step of freeing up the Chapter folks to concentrate
>>>>> on what they want to achieve, rather than remaining bogged down in
>>>>> administration, would be a great start.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08-Apr-16 11:31 AM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:24 AM, Keith Davidson <
>>>>> keith at internetnz.net.nz<mailto:keith at internetnz.net.nz>
>>>>> <mailto:keith at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    It would be of extreme benefit to the chapters if ISOC could provide
>>>>>    administrative staff to undertake these functions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ​Keith,
>>>>>
>>>>> ​Would be good for Chapters to have administrative assistance, but
>>>>> Chapters might find it easier if it is in the form of a revolving
>>>>> budget
>>>>> for chapters to engage local staff, or to cover the costs of a local
>>>>> office.​
>>>>>
>>>>> Sivasubramanian M​
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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