<div dir="ltr">Agree with Glenn as he clearly distinguishes between administrative duties and the real purpose of Chapters: Outreach and Engage.<br><div><br><br><div id="WISESTAMP_SIG_24aebe1bd9e999574dee926d3799e838" href="http://WISESTAMP_SIG_24aebe1bd9e999574dee926d3799e838"><div><div style="max-width:600px;direction:ltr" class="main_html date__2016_04_08___12_31"> <div class="html wisestamp_app main_sig" id="tp1s" style="max-width:470px;margin:8px 8px 8px 0"> <table style="width:470px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="470"> <tbody><tr valign="top"> <td style="padding-left:10px;width:10px;padding-right:10px"> <img src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/ucwebapp.wisestamp.com/fb712bef-9b20-45ba-b57f-3bc4e939ae66/Alfredo_UCCCustom3.format_png.resize_120x.png#logo" alt="photo" style="border-radius:4px;moz-border-radius:4px;khtml-border-radius:4px;o-border-radius:4px;webkit-border-radius:4px;ms-border-radius: 4px;width:65px;height: px;max-width: 120px;" height=" " width="65"> </td> <td style="border-right:1px solid #339966"></td> <td style="text-align:initial;font:14px Arial;color:#646464;padding:0 10px"> <div> <b class="text-color theme-font">Alfredo Calderon</b><br> <span>eLearning Consultant</span> </div> <div style="color:#8d8d8d;font-size:13px;padding:5px 0"> <span style="display:inline-block"><a href="mailto:calderon.alfredo@gmail.com" style="color:#8d8d8d;text-decoration:none">calderon.alfredo@gmail.com</a></span>  <span style="color:#339966;display:inline-block">|</span> <span style="white-space:nowrap;display:inline-block"><a href="http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com" target="_blank" style="color:#8d8d8d;text-decoration:none">http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com</a></span>  <span style="color:#339966;display:inline-block">|</span> <span style="display:inline-block"><span style="color:#8d8d8d">Skype: <a href="#" style="text-decoration:none;color:#8d8d8d">Alfredo_1212</a></span></span> </div> <div style="margin-top:5px"><a href="http://facebook.com/calderon.alfredo" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0;moz-border-radius:0;khtml-border-radius:0;o-border-radius:0;webkit-border-radius:0;ms-border-radius:0;border: 0;width:16px; height:16px;" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/facebook.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://pr.linkedin.com/in/acalderon52" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0;moz-border-radius:0;khtml-border-radius:0;o-border-radius:0;webkit-border-radius:0;ms-border-radius:0;border: 0;width:16px; height:16px;" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/linkedin.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/acalderon52" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0;moz-border-radius:0;khtml-border-radius:0;o-border-radius:0;webkit-border-radius:0;ms-border-radius:0;border: 0;width:16px; height:16px;" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/twitter.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://plus.google.com/u/0/103289446075444313762/posts" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0;moz-border-radius:0;khtml-border-radius:0;o-border-radius:0;webkit-border-radius:0;ms-border-radius:0;border: 0;width:16px; height:16px;" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/googleplus.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://www.pinterest.com/acalderon/" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0;moz-border-radius:0;khtml-border-radius:0;o-border-radius:0;webkit-border-radius:0;ms-border-radius:0;border: 0;width:16px; height:16px;" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/pinterest.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/acalderon" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0;moz-border-radius:0;khtml-border-radius:0;o-border-radius:0;webkit-border-radius:0;ms-border-radius:0;border: 0;width:16px; height:16px;" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/slideshare.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://klout.com/#/acalderon52" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0;moz-border-radius:0;khtml-border-radius:0;o-border-radius:0;webkit-border-radius:0;ms-border-radius:0;border: 0;width:16px; height:16px;" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/klout.png" height="16" width="16"></a></div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </div> <div href="http://WS_promo" id="WS_promo" style="width:auto;padding-top:2px;font-size:10px;border-top-width:1px;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(238,238,238);margin-top:10px;display:table;direction:ltr;line-height:normal;border-spacing:initial"> <img src="http://ws-promos.appspot.com/ga/pixel.png?yes__count=1&e=5732568548769792" style="display:block"> <div class="promo-placeholder" style="padding-top:2px"> <span style="color:rgb(111,111,111)">Get a signature like this:</span> <a href="http://ws-promos.appspot.com/r?rdata=eyJydXJsIjogImh0dHA6Ly93d3cud2lzZXN0YW1wLmNvbS9lbWFpbC1pbnN0YWxsP3dzX25jaWQ9NjcyMjk0MDA4JnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9ZXh0ZW5zaW9uJnV0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<br></span><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Alfredo Calderon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:calderon.alfredo@gmail.com" target="_blank">calderon.alfredo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Dear all:<br><br></div>Great points made by all. As a Board member of the ISOC-PR I have to agree.  We are a non-profit organization that meets state laws that "implies paying resources to keep the structure properly organized and up
 to date based on the local regulations (paymet for accountant fees, etc)".  We have submitted proposals and been awarded funds to develop activities. However, it would be great to have a regional staff (southeastern U.S.) that could aid us on a daily basis to have more time to outreach and engage more individuals in volunteering.<br><br></div>"We are doing more with less. What would happen if we had more support?"<br><div><div><div><br><br><div href="http://WISESTAMP_SIG_24aebe1bd9e999574dee926d3799e838"><div><div style="max-width:600px;direction:ltr"> <div style="max-width:470px;margin:8px 8px 8px 0px"> <table style="width:470px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="470"> <tbody><tr valign="top"> <td style="padding-left:10px;width:10px;padding-right:10px"> <img src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/ucwebapp.wisestamp.com/fb712bef-9b20-45ba-b57f-3bc4e939ae66/Alfredo_UCCCustom3.format_png.resize_120x.png" alt="photo" style="border-radius:4px;width:65px;max-width:120px" height=" " width="65"> </td> <td style="border-right:1px solid rgb(51,153,102)"></td> <td style="text-align:initial;font:14px Arial;color:rgb(100,100,100);padding:0px 10px"> <div> <b>Alfredo Calderon</b><br> <span>eLearning Consultant</span> </div> <div style="color:rgb(141,141,141);font-size:13px;padding:5px 0px"> <span style="display:inline-block"><a href="mailto:calderon.alfredo@gmail.com" style="color:rgb(141,141,141);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">calderon.alfredo@gmail.com</a></span>  <span style="color:rgb(51,153,102);display:inline-block">|</span> <span style="white-space:nowrap;display:inline-block"><a href="http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com" style="color:rgb(141,141,141);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">http://aprendizajedistancia.blogspot.com</a></span>  <span style="color:rgb(51,153,102);display:inline-block">|</span> <span style="display:inline-block"><span style="color:rgb(141,141,141)">Skype: <a href="#m_-5780720781516487758_m_20673968775234397_" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(141,141,141)">Alfredo_1212</a></span></span> </div> <div style="margin-top:5px"><a href="http://facebook.com/calderon.alfredo" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0px;border:0px none;width:16px;min-height:16px" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/facebook.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://pr.linkedin.com/in/acalderon52" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0px;border:0px none;width:16px;min-height:16px" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/linkedin.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/acalderon52" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0px;border:0px none;width:16px;min-height:16px" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/twitter.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://plus.google.com/u/0/103289446075444313762/posts" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0px;border:0px none;width:16px;min-height:16px" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/googleplus.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://www.pinterest.com/acalderon/" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0px;border:0px none;width:16px;min-height:16px" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/pinterest.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/acalderon" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0px;border:0px none;width:16px;min-height:16px" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/slideshare.png" height="16" width="16"></a> <a href="http://klout.com/#/acalderon52" target="_blank"><img style="border-radius:0px;border:0px none;width:16px;min-height:16px" src="https://s3.amazonaws.com/images.wisestamp.com/icons_32/klout.png" height="16" width="16"></a></div> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </div> <div href="http://WS_promo" style="width:auto;padding-top:2px;font-size:10px;border-top:1px solid rgb(238,238,238);margin-top:10px;display:table;direction:ltr;line-height:normal;border-spacing:initial"> <img src="http://ws-promos.appspot.com/ga/pixel.png?yes__count=1&e=5732568548769792" style="display:block"> <div style="padding-top:2px"> <span style="color:rgb(111,111,111)">Get a signature like this:</span> <a href="http://ws-promos.appspot.com/r?rdata=eyJydXJsIjogImh0dHA6Ly93d3cud2lzZXN0YW1wLmNvbS9lbWFpbC1pbnN0YWxsP3dzX25jaWQ9NjcyMjk0MDA4JnV0bV9zb3VyY2U9ZXh0ZW5zaW9uJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPXByb21vXzU3MzI1Njg1NDg3Njk3OTIiLCAiZSI6ICI1NzMyNTY4NTQ4NzY5NzkyIn0=&u=391786682836521" style="color:rgb(165,3,16);font-weight:bold" target="_blank">Click here!</a> </div> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Olga Cavalli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:olgacavalli@gmail.com" target="_blank">olgacavalli@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Dear Carlos, dear all.<div><br></div><div>Carlos, in ISOC Argentina we face the same diffitulties so thanks for bringing this up.</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding Raul and Joyce comment´s about what is available today from ISOC to chapters, we thank you for that but it is not enough.</div><div><br></div><div>ISOC Argentina chapter is registered at the national level as a non for profit association and this implies paying resources to keep the structure properly organized and up to date based on the local regulations (paymet for accountant fees, lawyer fees and a part time secretary).</div><div><br></div><div>As Carlos correctly states in his email, the availability of the funds is not very easy. And it is not enough for maintaining this structure.</div><div><br></div><div>The chapter wants to remain using this legal structure, as we consider it relevant for transparency and accountability: funds are recieved in a bank acoount of the Chapter (NOT in a personal board member account) and leadership positions are renewed every two years by voting.</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, ISOC Chapters must face the problem of <b>what seems to be a total dissasociation of ISOC activities and ISOC Chapter activities</b>. Chapters are not informed about activities that ISOC is doing at the national level, and this brings a higly confusing message to the broad community.</div><div><br></div><div>ISOC chapter must be the first point of contact for all the activities that ISOC is doing at the national level, ISOC must partner the local chapter. In this way both will enhance their presence and will make the message stronger and properly aligned.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div><div><br></div><div>Olga</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br> <table style="border-top:1px solid #aaabb6">
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“Clarity” would be the best help from our perspective. 2 years ago it was our expectation that we could count with up to $2000/year. Last year the expectation was raised to $3´500/year. But each of our requests was returned with warnings that we have missed deadlines and that we had´t read the small print, etc. etc. The amounts possible keep increasing, but the conditions keep also evolving and we don´t have a CFO that can keep track of all the new programs. We just need some basic local administrative and membership support we can count on before we go out and do bigger shows.<br>
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Best regards<span><br>
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On 7 Apr 2016, at 21:45, Raul Echeberria wrote:<br>
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Dear all:<br>
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I am following this thread with a lot of attention and taking notes of what is said.<br>
As Joyce has pointed out, we already spend good amount of resources on what we think are ways to support our chapters, but not necessarily are the things chapters need more.<br>
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I’m very interested in having this discussion to see if we can agree of what we really need. Some things could be affordable, others not. But we will know that only if we understand better what are the needs.<br>
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The new Chapter Advisory Council and its steering committee should be catalyzers in that discussion.<br>
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Let’s take advantage of this new structure.<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Raúl<br>
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El 7 abr. 2016, a las 9:16 p.m., John More <<a href="mailto:morej1@mac.com" target="_blank">morej1@mac.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:morej1@mac.com" target="_blank">morej1@mac.com</a>>> escribió:<br>
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Keith and others -<br>
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Great points.<br>
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Based on my lengthy experience with organizations that have local chapters, I have long advocated that ISOC to be really effective should create a structure where Chapters would have local paid staff — both administrative and more importantly ISOC-trained local organizers to do the higher level activities of supporting the Board and volunteers in carrying out local/country Chapter activities, recruiting new active volunteers, organizing events, raising local funds, etc.  Few volunteers are just sitting around with nothing to do, and so that have to work double-time or short-change their other business or interests.<br>
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I note that Chapters need to be accountable funding from ISOC should be linked with Chapters’ raising local funds — based upon what might be reasonable for the local economy.  Otherwise the Chapter has no ownership and is just receiving a gift.<br>
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We should recognize that it is not as if ISOC does not provide a wide range of support for Chapters, including training, grants for events, and funds for projects.<br>
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I have proposed this proven model of how to create and maintain effective chapters to various Society leaders.  Still waiting for at least a serious effort to see what this would look like and how it might work. A good project fir the new Chapter Advisory Council.<br>
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On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Keith Davidson <<a href="mailto:keith@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">keith@internetnz.net.nz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:keith@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">keith@internetnz.net.nz</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Hello Sivasubramanian, all,<br>
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It certainly is an option to provide some funding to a chapter. But I wonder if there might be greater value from resources provided by ISOC. In the Asia Pacific area, for example, it could be possible to add staff to the AP Regional Bureau, who's role is specifically to support chapters in the region. So you could have multiple chapters receiving secretarial and treasury support, website maintenance, membership recruitment, further chapter development etc, and all could have consistency in terms of overarching ISOC principles, strategy etc.<br>
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I think the first step of freeing up the Chapter folks to concentrate on what they want to achieve, rather than remaining bogged down in administration, would be a great start.<br>
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On 08-Apr-16 11:31 AM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:<br>
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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:24 AM, Keith Davidson <<a href="mailto:keith@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">keith@internetnz.net.nz</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:keith@internetnz.net.nz" target="_blank">keith@internetnz.net.nz</a>><br>
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   It would be of extreme benefit to the chapters if ISOC could provide<br>
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​Keith,<br>
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​Would be good for Chapters to have administrative assistance, but<br>
Chapters might find it easier if it is in the form of a revolving budget<br>
for chapters to engage local staff, or to cover the costs of a local<br>
office.​<br>
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