[Chapter-delegates] ISOC-NY President Resigns

Fri Apr 8 06:24:57 PDT 2016

Hi Folks
Lets  be clear.   David's  work  bridged two worlds.  Outreach and
Engagement and the face of ISOC NY  which was the first  chapter that most
 Canadians joined in the absence of a ISOC Canada chapter over four years
ago.   The other tasks and responsibility was the mundane and boring stuff.
ie. administration
He and others  can't do both jobs and it's unreasonable to expect anyone to
do both.

Another  issue.  I brought up the need for chapters to have funds to pay
for  Officers and Director  Errors and Omission Insurance and  proper
Liability insurance for events,  an annual  financial review/audit.   These
are real  expenses and a mark of  professional organization but  when I
mentioned these things  I got shot down saying we don't have any MONEY.
If you don't do these proper things  you will  be  SUED  as a director.
How can you recruit new board members/counsellors ( whatever you call
yourself) if you do  public  events and speak out on Internet issues. Any
organization is at risk of  litigation.

My checklist for a chapter
1. Proper accounting system
2. Good  CMS
3. Good Website and online payment system for membership
4. Collateral material
5. Banners and promotional stuff
6. Active committees
7. Active participation with  ISOC  campaigns.  ie. INTERNET STRONG,
 Colloborative Security etc
8 Sufficient  insurance to protect directors
9 Annual General Meeting
10 Once a year large educational event

My two cents
G

Glenn

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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Alfredo Calderon <calderon.alfredo at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Dear all:
>
> Great points made by all. As a Board member of the ISOC-PR I have to
> agree.  We are a non-profit organization that meets state laws that
> "implies paying resources to keep the structure properly organized and up
> to date based on the local regulations (paymet for accountant fees, etc)".
> We have submitted proposals and been awarded funds to develop activities.
> However, it would be great to have a regional staff (southeastern U.S.)
> that could aid us on a daily basis to have more time to outreach and engage
> more individuals in volunteering.
>
> "We are doing more with less. What would happen if we had more support?"
>
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> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Carlos, dear all.
>>
>> Carlos, in ISOC Argentina we face the same diffitulties so thanks for
>> bringing this up.
>>
>> Regarding Raul and Joyce comment´s about what is available today from
>> ISOC to chapters, we thank you for that but it is not enough.
>>
>> ISOC Argentina chapter is registered at the national level as a non for
>> profit association and this implies paying resources to keep the structure
>> properly organized and up to date based on the local regulations (paymet
>> for accountant fees, lawyer fees and a part time secretary).
>>
>> As Carlos correctly states in his email, the availability of the funds is
>> not very easy. And it is not enough for maintaining this structure.
>>
>> The chapter wants to remain using this legal structure, as we consider it
>> relevant for transparency and accountability: funds are recieved in a bank
>> acoount of the Chapter (NOT in a personal board member account) and
>> leadership positions are renewed every two years by voting.
>>
>> On the other hand, ISOC Chapters must face the problem of *what seems to
>> be a total dissasociation of ISOC activities and ISOC Chapter activities*.
>> Chapters are not informed about activities that ISOC is doing at the
>> national level, and this brings a higly confusing message to the broad
>> community.
>>
>> ISOC chapter must be the first point of contact for all the activities
>> that ISOC is doing at the national level, ISOC must partner the local
>> chapter. In this way both will enhance their presence and will make the
>> message stronger and properly aligned.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Olga
>>
>>
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>> 2016-04-08 8:24 GMT-03:00 Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G. <crg at isoc-cr.org>:
>>
>>> Thank you very much Raúl!
>>>
>>> “Clarity” would be the best help from our perspective. 2 years ago it
>>> was our expectation that we could count with up to $2000/year. Last year
>>> the expectation was raised to $3´500/year. But each of our requests was
>>> returned with warnings that we have missed deadlines and that we had´t read
>>> the small print, etc. etc. The amounts possible keep increasing, but the
>>> conditions keep also evolving and we don´t have a CFO that can keep track
>>> of all the new programs. We just need some basic local administrative and
>>> membership support we can count on before we go out and do bigger shows.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>> +506 8837 7176
>>> Skype: carlos.raulg
>>> Current UTC offset: -6.00 (Costa Rica)
>>> On 7 Apr 2016, at 21:45, Raul Echeberria wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all:
>>>>
>>>> I am following this thread with a lot of attention and taking notes of
>>>> what is said.
>>>> As Joyce has pointed out, we already spend good amount of resources on
>>>> what we think are ways to support our chapters, but not necessarily are the
>>>> things chapters need more.
>>>>
>>>> I’m very interested in having this discussion to see if we can agree of
>>>> what we really need. Some things could be affordable, others not. But we
>>>> will know that only if we understand better what are the needs.
>>>>
>>>> The new Chapter Advisory Council and its steering committee should be
>>>> catalyzers in that discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Let’s take advantage of this new structure.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Raúl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El 7 abr. 2016, a las 9:16 p.m., John More <morej1 at mac.com<mailto:
>>>> morej1 at mac.com>> escribió:
>>>>
>>>> Keith and others -
>>>>
>>>> Great points.
>>>>
>>>> Based on my lengthy experience with organizations that have local
>>>> chapters, I have long advocated that ISOC to be really effective should
>>>> create a structure where Chapters would have local paid staff — both
>>>> administrative and more importantly ISOC-trained local organizers to do the
>>>> higher level activities of supporting the Board and volunteers in carrying
>>>> out local/country Chapter activities, recruiting new active volunteers,
>>>> organizing events, raising local funds, etc.  Few volunteers are just
>>>> sitting around with nothing to do, and so that have to work double-time or
>>>> short-change their other business or interests.
>>>>
>>>> I note that Chapters need to be accountable funding from ISOC should be
>>>> linked with Chapters’ raising local funds — based upon what might be
>>>> reasonable for the local economy.  Otherwise the Chapter has no ownership
>>>> and is just receiving a gift.
>>>>
>>>> We should recognize that it is not as if ISOC does not provide a wide
>>>> range of support for Chapters, including training, grants for events, and
>>>> funds for projects.
>>>>
>>>> I have proposed this proven model of how to create and maintain
>>>> effective chapters to various Society leaders.  Still waiting for at least
>>>> a serious effort to see what this would look like and how it might work. A
>>>> good project fir the new Chapter Advisory Council.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> John More
>>>> Co-Convenor & Treasurer
>>>> The Greater Washington DC Chapter
>>>>        of the Internet Society
>>>> 202-256-1515
>>>> morej1 at mac.com<mailto:morej1 at mac.com>
>>>>
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>>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Keith Davidson <keith at internetnz.net.nz
>>>> <mailto:keith at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Sivasubramanian, all,
>>>>
>>>> It certainly is an option to provide some funding to a chapter. But I
>>>> wonder if there might be greater value from resources provided by ISOC. In
>>>> the Asia Pacific area, for example, it could be possible to add staff to
>>>> the AP Regional Bureau, who's role is specifically to support chapters in
>>>> the region. So you could have multiple chapters receiving secretarial and
>>>> treasury support, website maintenance, membership recruitment, further
>>>> chapter development etc, and all could have consistency in terms of
>>>> overarching ISOC principles, strategy etc.
>>>>
>>>> I think the first step of freeing up the Chapter folks to concentrate
>>>> on what they want to achieve, rather than remaining bogged down in
>>>> administration, would be a great start.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08-Apr-16 11:31 AM, Sivasubramanian M wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 2:24 AM, Keith Davidson <keith at internetnz.net.nz
>>>> <mailto:keith at internetnz.net.nz>
>>>> <mailto:keith at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    It would be of extreme benefit to the chapters if ISOC could provide
>>>>    administrative staff to undertake these functions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keith,
>>>>
>>>> Would be good for Chapters to have administrative assistance, but
>>>> Chapters might find it easier if it is in the form of a revolving budget
>>>> for chapters to engage local staff, or to cover the costs of a local
>>>> office.
>>>>
>>>> Sivasubramanian M
>>>>
>>>>
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