[Chapter-delegates] [Chaptersadvisorycounciltaskforce] Chapters Advisory Council

[Alejandro Pisanty]

Alan,

just to chime in. It's about two years now we have promises from ISOC staff
that some of this will be fixed.

And mind you, this is not ISOC failing in Netiquette, it is ISOC failing in
Internet standards compliance (not Web standards - Internet standards.)

I hope to see some progress soon.

BTW I'm retaining your message for context. Otherwise I'd have to make a
longer explanation. I am not opposed to top-posting as long as one
occassionally does cut a long tail short.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za> wrote:

> Hi,
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> On 13 Nov 2014, at 7:13 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com> wrote:
> > I would think RFC1122 applies.
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> Joly, I'm not sure what this is referring to. Not meaning to single you
> out, I note that yours was a top post, we all do it.  That would be
> contrary to RFC 1855. I think 1122 refers to hosts although maybe you are
> referring to the RFC process in general. I can understand that there may be
> some elements of 1855 that have become outdated - although afaik there is
> no update - and afaik that means the RFC should still apply according the
> IETF/ISOC process.
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> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Gihan Dias <gihan at uom.lk> wrote:
> >> On 2014/11/12 ප.ව. 10:35, Alan Levin wrote:
> >>> I've discussed this with key ISOC global people who have decided that
> we don't need netiquette any longer.  I am not in agreement.
> >>
> >> I agree with Alan.
> >> ISoc should be the model when it comes to netiquette.
>
> On 13 Nov 2014, at 4:21 PM, Randy Bush <randy at psg.com> wrote:
> > i have grown used to people not understanding traditional net etiquette.
> > i just figure that they're new here and calibrate accordingly.
>
> I agree with Randy that new people calibrate accordingly, it took me a
> while to get it myself. Sorry if I did not explain my deflation. I would be
> happy if this was the agreed way forward.
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> This list (@elists.isoc.org) is becoming a legacy list that ISOC host,
> one where it is possible to apply RFC 1855.  I am, thankful that it is
> still supported although it appears that it may be phased out or just 'die'.
>
> ISOC has invested in a new system "Connected Community" which disables
> anyone from possibly adhering to basic netiquette. It's completely blatant
> from the first line of every single message, the two major rules are
> disregarded. The headers are terrible and the entire message encourages
> abuse. To the dismay of but a few, the ISOC CEO has inadvertently explained
> that ISOC have invested and are now rolling out that platform.  It's been
> used for the Chapters in parallel with this list since June, now also added
> to the African Chapters. This may just be my problem, I'm sorry but I find
> it counter productive to post by email in that (Connected Community)
> system, it just feels like I'm undermining the principles of ISOC.
>
> Sincerely
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> Alan
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