[Chapter-delegates] [Chaptersadvisorycounciltaskforce] Chapters Advisory Council

[Christian de Larrinaga]

Am I alone in finding the new ISOC "Connected discussion"  is limiting
use to broadcast announcements?  I find them unsuited for discussions
precisely because the context and position of any message within a
thread is lost.

Top posting is fine for me provided it quotes sufficiently to give
context. It's the best way to provide a link or pointer or general
observation. Joly's top posts pointing to resources are well judged I find.

But for more detailed point by point discussions I prefer to go inline.
Too many new email clients or "web" orientated comms tools are
preventing inline discussions and force top posting. Wrong headed
assumptions of device UI restraints is leading a number of IOS and
Android developers to loose utility of their apps for more informative
discussion purposes.
 

Christian

Alejandro Pisanty wrote:
> Alan,
>
> just to chime in. It's about two years now we have promises from ISOC
> staff that some of this will be fixed. 
>
> And mind you, this is not ISOC failing in Netiquette, it is ISOC
> failing in Internet standards compliance (not Web standards - Internet
> standards.)
>
> I hope to see some progress soon.
>
> BTW I'm retaining your message for context. Otherwise I'd have to make
> a longer explanation. I am not opposed to top-posting as long as one
> occassionally does cut a long tail short.
>
> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Alan Levin <alan at isoc.org.za
> <mailto:alan at isoc.org.za>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     On 13 Nov 2014, at 7:13 PM, Joly MacFie <joly at punkcast.com
>     <mailto:joly at punkcast.com>> wrote:
>     > I would think RFC1122 applies.
>
>     Joly, I'm not sure what this is referring to. Not meaning to
>     single you out, I note that yours was a top post, we all do it. 
>     That would be contrary to RFC 1855. I think 1122 refers to hosts
>     although maybe you are referring to the RFC process in general. I
>     can understand that there may be some elements of 1855 that have
>     become outdated - although afaik there is no update - and afaik
>     that means the RFC should still apply according the IETF/ISOC process.
>
>     > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Gihan Dias <gihan at uom.lk
>     <mailto:gihan at uom.lk>> wrote:
>     >> On 2014/11/12 ප.ව. 10:35, Alan Levin wrote:
>     >>> I've discussed this with key ISOC global people who have
>     decided that we don't need netiquette any longer.  I am not in
>     agreement.
>     >>
>     >> I agree with Alan.
>     >> ISoc should be the model when it comes to netiquette.
>
>     On 13 Nov 2014, at 4:21 PM, Randy Bush <randy at psg.com
>     <mailto:randy at psg.com>> wrote:
>     > i have grown used to people not understanding traditional net
>     etiquette.
>     > i just figure that they're new here and calibrate accordingly.
>
>     I agree with Randy that new people calibrate accordingly, it took
>     me a while to get it myself. Sorry if I did not explain my
>     deflation. I would be happy if this was the agreed way forward.
>
>     This list (@elists.isoc.org <http://elists.isoc.org>) is becoming
>     a legacy list that ISOC host, one where it is possible to apply
>     RFC 1855.  I am, thankful that it is still supported although it
>     appears that it may be phased out or just 'die'.
>
>     ISOC has invested in a new system "Connected Community" which
>     disables anyone from possibly adhering to basic netiquette. It's
>     completely blatant from the first line of every single message,
>     the two major rules are disregarded. The headers are terrible and
>     the entire message encourages abuse. To the dismay of but a few,
>     the ISOC CEO has inadvertently explained that ISOC have invested
>     and are now rolling out that platform.  It's been used for the
>     Chapters in parallel with this list since June, now also added to
>     the African Chapters. This may just be my problem, I'm sorry but I
>     find it counter productive to post by email in that (Connected
>     Community) system, it just feels like I'm undermining the
>     principles of ISOC.
>
>     Sincerely
>
>
>
>     Alan
>     -- 
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> Facultad de Química UNAM

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Christian de Larrinaga

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