[Chapter-delegates] Follow-up: Serious considerations to dissolve the Cambodia ISOC Chapter

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We at LAC region will have a meeting next 30 about ISOC bylaws, and in specific about those articles that deal with chapters.

Hope to continue having feedback here.. 

Maybe in all regions we have this kind of meetings so we can start working on this issues.. 

Carlos Vera
Internet Society Ecuador
www.isoc.org.ec
Síguenos @isocec

> El 28/09/2013, a las 6:40, JOHN MORE <morej1 at mac.com> escribió:
> 
> To my knowledge staff have never used a command and obey approach. So I think this is a bit of a red herring. But were that that happen there needs to be a mechanism or procedure to correct such a misuse of authority. 
> 
> John More
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Klaus Birkenbihl <Klaus.Birkenbihl at Isoc.de> wrote:
>> 
>> John, I'm with you that paragraphs like "The purpose of this
>> association is educate the local government on how to apply
>> censorship on the Internet in a inconspicous way." should
>> either be removed or lead to the denial of the chapter status.
>> 
>> But there should be/are explicit and implicit (aka spirit)
>> standards that help chapters to make bylaws and programs
>> that are compatible with ISOC's mission - without having
>> to ask an ISOCian watchdog "is it OK?" before they move.
>> (I admit that what contributes to a free and open Internet
>> in one culture might be offensive to another. But these
>> issues should rather be resolved in a discussion than by
>> command [ISOC global] and obey [Chapter]. This makes the
>> difference between imperialism and cultural diversity.)
>> 
>> I understand is that the "guidelines" are made to ensure
>> chapters comply to ISOC's mission and goals. But these
>> guideline themselves are against the spirit of ISOC. They
>> resemble "father knows best", cultural imperialism,
>> lack of democracy, lack of transparency ... Reading these
>> "guidelines" and following discussions and chapter
>> activities I wonder if its really the chapters that need
>> to be supervised and guided. Wouldn't make far more sense
>> to have an instance to ensure, that the values and goals
>> that we preach to the world are maintained and respected
>> within the membership of the organization?
>> 
>> Ceterum censeo: it should not forgotten that chapters are
>> associations of *members* - not payed staff.
>> 
>> Klaus
>> 
>> John More wrote on 2013-09-27 22:09:
>>> I had pointed this out when the DC Chapter was formed.  In fact, the
>>> directors have a fiduciary duty and legal requirement to enact changes
>>> where needed irrespective of this requirement.  On there other hand,
>>> if the changes were to subvert or contradict the mission and policies
>>> of ISOC, then the review is appropriate.
>>> 
>>> Another task to put on th