[Chapter-delegates] Follow-up: Serious considerations to dissolve the Cambodia ISOC Chapter

[info at isoc.org.ec]

To clarify the meeting in LAC is a monthly meeting we have every month, and one point in agenda is about bylaws, proposed by us. 


Carlos Vera 
Internet Society Ecuador
www.isoc.org.ec
Síguenos @isocec

> El 28/09/2013, a las 7:23, "info at isoc.org.ec" <info at isoc.org.ec> escribió:
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> We at LAC region will have a meeting next 30 about ISOC bylaws, and in specific about those articles that deal with chapters.
> 
> Hope to continue having feedback here.. 
> 
> Maybe in all regions we have this kind of meetings so we can start working on this issues.. 
> 
> Carlos Vera
> Internet Society Ecuador
> www.isoc.org.ec
> Síguenos @isocec
> 
>> El 28/09/2013, a las 6:40, JOHN MORE <morej1 at mac.com> escribió:
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>> To my knowledge staff have never used a command and obey approach. So I think this is a bit of a red herring. But were that that happen there needs to be a mechanism or procedure to correct such a misuse of authority. 
>> 
>> John More
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2013, at 6:01 AM, Klaus Birkenbihl <Klaus.Birkenbihl at Isoc.de> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John, I'm with you that paragraphs like "The purpose of this
>>> association is educate the local government on how to apply
>>> censorship on the Internet in a inconspicous way." should
>>> either be removed or lead to the denial of the chapter status.
>>> 
>>> But there should be/are explicit and implicit (aka spirit)
>>> standards that help chapters to make bylaws and programs
>>> that are compatible with ISOC's mission - without having
>>> to ask an ISOCian watchdog "is it OK?" before they move.
>>> (I admit that what contributes to a free and open Internet
>>> in one culture might be offensive to another. But these
>>> issues should rather be resolved in a discussion than by
>>> command [ISOC global] and obey [Chapter]. This makes the
>>> difference between imperialism and cultural diversity.)
>>> 
>>> I understand is that the "guidelines" are made to ensure
>>> chapters comply to ISOC's mission and goals. But these
>>> guideline themselves are against the spirit of ISOC. They
>>> resemble "father knows best", cultural imperialism,
>>> lack of democracy, lack of transparency ... Reading these
>>> "guidelines" and following discussions and chapter
>>> activities I wonder if its really the chapters that need
>>> to be supervised and guided. Wouldn't make far more sense
>>> to have an instance to ensure, that the values and goals
>>> that we preach to the world are maintained and respected
>>> within the membership of the organization?
>>> 
>>> Ceterum censeo: it should not forgotten that chapters are
>>> associations of *members* - not payed staff.
>>> 
>>> Klaus
>>> 
>>> John More wrote on 2013-09-27 22:09:
>>>> I had pointed this out when the DC Chapter was formed.  In fact, the
>>>> directors have a fiduciary duty and legal requirement to enact changes
>>>> where needed irrespective of this requirement.  On there other hand,
>>>> if the changes were to subvert or contradict the mission and policies
>>>> of ISOC, then the review is appropriate.
>>>> 
>>>> Another task to put on th
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