[Chapter-delegates] Alejandro's question and where does ISOC stand on meaning of Montevideo?

Wed Oct 30 17:50:37 PDT 2013

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Pornphisud Mongkhonvanit
ISOC Thailand

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> On Oct 30, 2013, at 9:32 PM, "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" <apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
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> A very good description of our plight as chapters.
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> Let us also make sure that the Chapter Advisory Council, if we do get to build it, is a useful tool for two-way communications, and does not become one more indirection layer, one more obstruction.
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> Yours,
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
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> Desde: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org [chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org] en nombre de Christian de Larrinaga [cdel at firsthand.net]
> Enviado el: miércoles, 30 de octubre de 2013 02:02
> Hasta: anupam agrawal
> CC: ISOC Chapter Delegates; amanoff at vmf.com.ar
> Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Alejandro's question and where does ISOC stand  on meaning of Montevideo?
>
> You may have misunderstood but I'm not answering for Dave as he is more
> than capable of doing that directly.
>
> As I see this ISOC made a bold assertion in Montevideo as did other
> Internet related organisations.It is not clear though how this wording
> was arrived at nor what the implications or intentions are, if any to do
> about it.
>
> Chapters have a shared responsibility for both electing Trustees but
> also unlike other constituents IETF and organisations a hands on role to
> promote the ISOC mission. So far we have not been involved in either the
> formulation of the Montevideo statement nor in any formulation of what
> happens next. This makes our position locally in representing ISOC on
> this issue tough. Actually being out of the loop on this makes the
> chapter appear irrelevant to ISOC.
>
> I am not saying the statement was wrong but I am saying that ISOC does
> need to include its chapters now. This cannot wait for new ISOC board
> elections. We need to be engaged urgently.
>
> In UK we have two events this week. The Internet & Parliament conference
> and the Open Government Partnership that is bringing a number of
> "member" governments and assorted civil society experts together to
> discuss open government.  We can  participate as ISOC chapter but are at
> this time are almost entirely blind to offer any policy guidance of the
> background and intentions following this  very hot and important
> re-framing statement made in Montevideo.
>
> That is a worrying gap in ISOC communications.
>
>
>
> Christian
>
>> anupam agrawal <mailto:agrawal_anupam at hotmail.com>
>> 30 October 2013 05:09
>> Dave,
>>
>> I am surprised by the authority you suggest that ISOC agrees to a
>> lightly exercised US legal authority (what's the evidence) and your
>> confusion is that the Montevideo statement and the other actions seems
>> to suggest otherwise. This is very serious as you have made Lynn,
>> Markus, Alejandro, Vint, Theresa party to this. It appears to me that
>> you know much more than you have divulged in this email and giving
>> clarion call to others to come out.  What is that are you expecting?
>>
>> You referenced being on ITAC (which one?). And how ITAC interest in
>> Internet governance is justified.
>>
>> Regards
>> Anupam Agrawal
>> Chair
>> Internet Society India Kolkata Chapter
>>
>>
>> On 27-Oct-2013, at 11:51 am, "Dave Burstein" <daveb at dslprime.com
>> <mailto:daveb at dslprime.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Lynn, Markus
>>>
>>> I join Alejandro wondering what does it mean that ISOC signed the
>>> Montevideo statement and what are we really proposing.
>>>
>>>   If you read Montevideo and listen to Fadi on how the net can't be
>>> under the control of any single country, it's a Declaration of
>>> Independence.
>>> http://fastnetnews.com/dslprime/42-d/4997-first-look-declarations-of-independence-of-the-net-
>>>
>>> In other contexts, ISOC has strongly supported the status quo of
>>> (lightly exercised) U.S. legal sovereignty , so I doubt Lynn signed
>>> it in that spirit. Additionally, Danny S. and State seem to read it
>>> very differently than I do; diplomats and clear language don't mix.
>>>
>>>   I can't imagine a more important time for ISOC decisionmakers to
>>> be transparent both to the board and the membership what the heck is
>>> really going on. Alejandro, Vint and Theresa are deeply imbedded
>>> inside this process. I'm actually on the U.S. State Department ITAC
>>> and it's clear they don't understand what Danny is doing either.
>>>
>>>   Please get solid information out both in Buenos Aires and directly
>>> here to the members.
>>>
>>>   ISOC Board members: I hope you join in deeply and share what you
>>> know.
>>>
>>>   Lots in play, so let's use this to show that ISOC itself
>>> understands and implements multistakeholder and bottom up organization.
>>>
>>> Dave Burstein
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    I think that for the rest of this year, at least, there is one
>>>    overarching issue which is understanding ICANN's strategy with
>>>    actions like the Brazil meeting; understanding ISOC's HQ stance
>>>    (this question goes back into the past, to before the Montevideo
>>>    Statement); to have chapters and members heard about these
>>>    issues; and last, a no-surprises agreement.
>>>
>>>    This no-surprises agreement was first intended to occur mostly
>>>    among chapters when we started these meetings. Now after
>>>    Montevideo and the plans for the Brazil Internet Governance
>>>    Summit we need a clear outline of where ISOC HQ is intending to
>>>    go, and whatever exchanges that starts.
>>>
>>>    I hope you, Markus and Lynn, and whoever is involved, can work
>>>    out an imaginative scheme that allows the meeting to be very
>>>    efficient in the initial setup and go straight to the matter. You
>>>    may need to bottomupize the planning as well.
>>>
>>>    Yours,
>>>
>>>    Alejandro Pisanty
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Dave Burstein <mailto:daveb at dslprime.com>
>> 27 October 2013 06:21
>> Lynn, Markus
>>
>> I join Alejandro wondering what does it mean that ISOC signed the
>> Montevideo statement and what are we really proposing.
>>
>>   If you read Montevideo and listen to Fadi on how the net can't be
>> under the control of any single country, it's a Declaration of
>> Independence.
>> http://fastnetnews.com/dslprime/42-d/4997-first-look-declarations-of-independence-of-the-net-
>>
>> In other contexts, ISOC has strongly supported the status quo of
>> (lightly exercised) U.S. legal sovereignty , so I doubt Lynn signed it
>> in that spirit. Additionally, Danny S. and State seem to read it very
>> differently than I do; diplomats and clear language don't mix.
>>
>>   I can't imagine a more important time for ISOC decisionmakers to be
>> transparent both to the board and the membership what the heck is
>> really going on. Alejandro, Vint and Theresa are deeply imbedded
>> inside this process. I'm actually on the U.S. State Department ITAC
>> and it's clear they don't understand what Danny is doing either.
>>
>>   Please get solid information out both in Buenos Aires and directly
>> here to the members.
>>
>>   ISOC Board members: I hope you join in deeply and share what you know.
>>
>>   Lots in play, so let's use this to show that ISOC itself
>> understands and implements multistakeholder and bottom up organization.
>>
>> Dave Burstein
>>
>>
>>
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