[Chapter-delegates] Alejandro's question and where does ISOC stand on meaning of Montevideo?

Wed Oct 30 07:41:21 PDT 2013

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A very good description of our plight as chapters. 

Let us also make sure that the Chapter Advisory Council, if we do get to build it, is a useful tool for two-way communications, and does not become one more indirection layer, one more obstruction.

Yours,

Alejandro Pisanty

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Enviado el: miércoles, 30 de octubre de 2013 02:02
Hasta: anupam agrawal
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Asunto: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Alejandro's question and where does ISOC stand  on meaning of Montevideo?

You may have misunderstood but I'm not answering for Dave as he is more
than capable of doing that directly.

As I see this ISOC made a bold assertion in Montevideo as did other
Internet related organisations.It is not clear though how this wording
was arrived at nor what the implications or intentions are, if any to do
about it.

Chapters have a shared responsibility for both electing Trustees but
also unlike other constituents IETF and organisations a hands on role to
promote the ISOC mission. So far we have not been involved in either the
formulation of the Montevideo statement nor in any formulation of what
happens next. This makes our position locally in representing ISOC on
this issue tough. Actually being out of the loop on this makes the
chapter appear irrelevant to ISOC.

I am not saying the statement was wrong but I am saying that ISOC does
need to include its chapters now. This cannot wait for new ISOC board
elections. We need to be engaged urgently.

In UK we have two events this week. The Internet & Parliament conference
and the Open Government Partnership that is bringing a number of
"member" governments and assorted civil society experts together to
discuss open government.  We can  participate as ISOC chapter but are at
this time are almost entirely blind to offer any policy guidance of the
background and intentions following this  very hot and important
re-framing statement made in Montevideo.

That is a worrying gap in ISOC communications.

Christian

> anupam agrawal <mailto:agrawal_anupam at hotmail.com>
> 30 October 2013 05:09
> Dave,
>
> I am surprised by the authority you suggest that ISOC agrees to a
> lightly exercised US legal authority (what's the evidence) and your
> confusion is that the Montevideo statement and the other actions seems
> to suggest otherwise. This is very serious as you have made Lynn,
> Markus, Alejandro, Vint, Theresa party to this. It appears to me that
> you know much more than you have divulged in this email and giving
> clarion call to others to come out.  What is that are you expecting?
>
> You referenced being on ITAC (which one?). And how ITAC interest in
> Internet governance is justified.
>
> Regards
> Anupam Agrawal
> Chair
> Internet Society India Kolkata Chapter
>
>
> On 27-Oct-2013, at 11:51 am, "Dave Burstein" <daveb at dslprime.com
> <mailto:daveb at dslprime.com>> wrote:
>
>> Lynn, Markus
>>
>> I join Alejandro wondering what does it mean that ISOC signed the
>> Montevideo statement and what are we really proposing.
>>
>>    If you read Montevideo and listen to Fadi on how the net can't be
>> under the control of any single country, it's a Declaration of
>> Independence.
>> http://fastnetnews.com/dslprime/42-d/4997-first-look-declarations-of-independence-of-the-net-
>>
>> In other contexts, ISOC has strongly supported the status quo of
>> (lightly exercised) U.S. legal sovereignty , so I doubt Lynn signed
>> it in that spirit. Additionally, Danny S. and State seem to read it
>> very differently than I do; diplomats and clear language don't mix.
>>
>>    I can't imagine a more important time for ISOC decisionmakers to
>> be transparent both to the board and the membership what the heck is
>> really going on. Alejandro, Vint and Theresa are deeply imbedded
>> inside this process. I'm actually on the U.S. State Department ITAC
>> and it's clear they don't understand what Danny is doing either.
>>
>>    Please get solid information out both in Buenos Aires and directly
>> here to the members.
>>
>>    ISOC Board members: I hope you join in deeply and share what you
>> know.
>>
>>    Lots in play, so let's use this to show that ISOC itself
>> understands and implements multistakeholder and bottom up organization.
>>
>> Dave Burstein
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     I think that for the rest of this year, at least, there is one
>>     overarching issue which is understanding ICANN's strategy with
>>     actions like the Brazil meeting; understanding ISOC's HQ stance
>>     (this question goes back into the past, to before the Montevideo
>>     Statement); to have chapters and members heard about these
>>     issues; and last, a no-surprises agreement.
>>
>>     This no-surprises agreement was first intended to occur mostly
>>     among chapters when we started these meetings. Now after
>>     Montevideo and the plans for the Brazil Internet Governance
>>     Summit we need a clear outline of where ISOC HQ is intending to
>>     go, and whatever exchanges that starts.
>>
>>     I hope you, Markus and Lynn, and whoever is involved, can work
>>     out an imaginative scheme that allows the meeting to be very
>>     efficient in the initial setup and go straight to the matter. You
>>     may need to bottomupize the planning as well.
>>
>>     Yours,
>>
>>     Alejandro Pisanty
>>
>>
>>
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> Dave Burstein <mailto:daveb at dslprime.com>
> 27 October 2013 06:21
> Lynn, Markus
>
> I join Alejandro wondering what does it mean that ISOC signed the
> Montevideo statement and what are we really proposing.
>
>    If you read Montevideo and listen to Fadi on how the net can't be
> under the control of any single country, it's a Declaration of
> Independence.
> http://fastnetnews.com/dslprime/42-d/4997-first-look-declarations-of-independence-of-the-net-
>
> In other contexts, ISOC has strongly supported the status quo of
> (lightly exercised) U.S. legal sovereignty , so I doubt Lynn signed it
> in that spirit. Additionally, Danny S. and State seem to read it very
> differently than I do; diplomats and clear language don't mix.
>
>    I can't imagine a more important time for ISOC decisionmakers to be
> transparent both to the board and the membership what the heck is
> really going on. Alejandro, Vint and Theresa are deeply imbedded
> inside this process. I'm actually on the U.S. State Department ITAC
> and it's clear they don't understand what Danny is doing either.
>
>    Please get solid information out both in Buenos Aires and directly
> here to the members.
>
>    ISOC Board members: I hope you join in deeply and share what you know.
>
>    Lots in play, so let's use this to show that ISOC itself
> understands and implements multistakeholder and bottom up organization.
>
> Dave Burstein
>
>
>
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