[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

Tue Oct 22 22:47:32 PDT 2013

ISOC should stop telling the world how many individual members it has.
It is completely unimportant. It is enough to claim that associated
chapters are active in 80-90 countries.

JH

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'JotHal' jozef [dot] halbersztadt [at] gmail [dot] com
Internet Society Poland http://www.isoc.org.pl

2013/10/23 CW Mail <mail at christopherwilkinson.eu>:
> +1 CW
>
>
> On 22 Oct 2013, at 14:41, Julian Vincent <julian at isoc.my> wrote:
>
>> I had suggested in the past ie.  we revert back to before AMS ie
>>
>> 1. All chapters manage their own database
>> 2. Chapters will then update AMS monthly/quarterly by uploading their members details
>> 3. AMS is disabled to allow members to sign up directly but will point them to the approatiate chapter website to sign up
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Julian Vincent
>> Chair
>> Malaysia Chapter
>> www.isoc.my
>>
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
>> Sender: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
>> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:05:42
>> To: Grigori Saghyan<gregor at arminco.com>; <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
>> Reply-To: veni at veni.com
>> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter
>>
>> This is problematic, if you think about EU legislation, aiming exactly
>> at hosting personal data on US servers...
>>
>> v.
>>
>> On 10/22/13 08:01, Grigori Saghyan wrote:
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>>> Dear All,
>>> May be  it is possible to bypass some of  legal problems  with AMS if
>>> each Chapter will sign an agreement with ISOC HQ for outsourcing
>>> database services for each Chapter.
>>> Grigori Saghyan
>>> ISOC.AM
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22.10.2013 15:41, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:
>>>> I am confident too that the officers would like to help.
>>>>
>>>> First fix the technical issues. This must be easy (enable editing
>>>> in AMS, enable automatic renewal, enable reminder messages ect.,
>>>> make the AMS user friendly).  Make the funding of chapter  events
>>>> appropriate regarding the locations and regarding  the specified
>>>> Costs supported with relevant evidences (with some reasonable
>>>> restrictions). Make the EU regional Bureau   work with the
>>>> chapters, the week clippings are good but this is not what is
>>>> expected.  Then we may continue to other more difficult issues.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Borka
>>>>
>>>> p.s. I am not very sure that all these costly HQ surveys among the
>>>> membership provide sufficiently relevant information. So far no
>>>> evidence  of their usefulness!
>>>>
>>>> Dne 22.10.2013 12:23, piše Veni Markovski:
>>>>> If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long, Carlos
>>>>> :) But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and
>>>>> others at the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and certainly from
>>>>> the reaction to John More's email I see that chapters are
>>>>> positively looking towards helping the HQ.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> v.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/22/13 06:04, info at isoc.org.ec wrote:
>>>>>> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to
>>>>>> sovereignty in different discussions in the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very complicated situation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Carlos Vera
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Internet Society Ecuador www.isoc.org.ec Síguenos @isocec
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> El 22/10/2013, a las 3:39, Dick Kalkman <d.h.kalkman at isoc.nl>
>>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Borka, Klaus and Veni,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In The Netherlands we have much the same problems with the
>>>>>>> AMS system. An estimated near thousand member records are
>>>>>>> lost and/or corrupted. Maybe more, because who knows what
>>>>>>> happened before we recognized the problems? There are simply
>>>>>>> no activity logs on membership database mutations or just
>>>>>>> basic backups available to us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We also have the same problem that all our roll back /
>>>>>>> recovery requests to ISOC HQ only gave lots of tech talk but
>>>>>>> until now zero solutions. Even our positive response to the
>>>>>>> proposal from ISOC HQ to switch of the (for us useless)
>>>>>>> renewal function didn't result in any action. The only (sad)
>>>>>>> advantage is that the number of complains from our members on
>>>>>>> spamming by ISOC HQ are declining.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The second main problem is that there is still no compliance
>>>>>>> (read compliance certification) to local law(-s). I'm very
>>>>>>> concerned with this situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope that the new task force established to solve this,
>>>>>>> soon result in some improvements and we all can go back to
>>>>>>> our core activities.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dick Kalkman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 21-10-2013 7:06, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote: Veni and Klaus,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fully agree with all you have said. Instead on mission
>>>>>>>> the HQ is planning how to "discipline" the chapters. I
>>>>>>>> fully agree also what Klaus wrote regarding the funding and
>>>>>>>> the AMS (clumsy, not effective, duplication of the
>>>>>>>> administration etc.) A month ago cca 40 members of ISOC SI
>>>>>>>> were deleted from AMS, because their renewal was not done
>>>>>>>> on time!! When I asked the data to be recovered - the
>>>>>>>> answer was that the data have been lost or somewhere
>>>>
>>>
>>> - --
>>> Grigori Saghyan
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>> Best,
>> Veni Markovski
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