[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

Tue Oct 22 21:58:59 PDT 2013

+1 CW

On 22 Oct 2013, at 14:41, Julian Vincent <julian at isoc.my> wrote:

> I had suggested in the past ie.  we revert back to before AMS ie
> 
> 1. All chapters manage their own database
> 2. Chapters will then update AMS monthly/quarterly by uploading their members details
> 3. AMS is disabled to allow members to sign up directly but will point them to the approatiate chapter website to sign up
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Julian Vincent
> Chair
> Malaysia Chapter
> www.isoc.my
> 
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry®
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
> Sender: chapter-delegates-bounces at elists.isoc.org
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:05:42 
> To: Grigori Saghyan<gregor at arminco.com>; <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
> Reply-To: veni at veni.com
> Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter
> 
> This is problematic, if you think about EU legislation, aiming exactly 
> at hosting personal data on US servers...
> 
> v.
> 
> On 10/22/13 08:01, Grigori Saghyan wrote:
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>> Dear All,
>> May be  it is possible to bypass some of  legal problems  with AMS if
>> each Chapter will sign an agreement with ISOC HQ for outsourcing
>> database services for each Chapter.
>> Grigori Saghyan
>> ISOC.AM
>> 
>> 
>> On 22.10.2013 15:41, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:
>>> I am confident too that the officers would like to help.
>>> 
>>> First fix the technical issues. This must be easy (enable editing
>>> in AMS, enable automatic renewal, enable reminder messages ect.,
>>> make the AMS user friendly).  Make the funding of chapter  events
>>> appropriate regarding the locations and regarding  the specified
>>> Costs supported with relevant evidences (with some reasonable
>>> restrictions). Make the EU regional Bureau   work with the
>>> chapters, the week clippings are good but this is not what is
>>> expected.  Then we may continue to other more difficult issues.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Borka
>>> 
>>> p.s. I am not very sure that all these costly HQ surveys among the
>>> membership provide sufficiently relevant information. So far no
>>> evidence  of their usefulness!
>>> 
>>> Dne 22.10.2013 12:23, piše Veni Markovski:
>>>> If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long, Carlos
>>>> :) But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and
>>>> others at the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and certainly from
>>>> the reaction to John More's email I see that chapters are
>>>> positively looking towards helping the HQ.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> v.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/22/13 06:04, info at isoc.org.ec wrote:
>>>>> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to
>>>>> sovereignty in different discussions in the list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very complicated situation
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carlos Vera
>>>>> 
>>>>> Internet Society Ecuador www.isoc.org.ec Síguenos @isocec
>>>>> 
>>>>>> El 22/10/2013, a las 3:39, Dick Kalkman <d.h.kalkman at isoc.nl>
>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Borka, Klaus and Veni,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In The Netherlands we have much the same problems with the
>>>>>> AMS system. An estimated near thousand member records are
>>>>>> lost and/or corrupted. Maybe more, because who knows what
>>>>>> happened before we recognized the problems? There are simply
>>>>>> no activity logs on membership database mutations or just
>>>>>> basic backups available to us.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We also have the same problem that all our roll back /
>>>>>> recovery requests to ISOC HQ only gave lots of tech talk but
>>>>>> until now zero solutions. Even our positive response to the
>>>>>> proposal from ISOC HQ to switch of the (for us useless)
>>>>>> renewal function didn't result in any action. The only (sad)
>>>>>> advantage is that the number of complains from our members on
>>>>>> spamming by ISOC HQ are declining.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The second main problem is that there is still no compliance
>>>>>> (read compliance certification) to local law(-s). I'm very
>>>>>> concerned with this situation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope that the new task force established to solve this,
>>>>>> soon result in some improvements and we all can go back to
>>>>>> our core activities.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dick Kalkman
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 21-10-2013 7:06, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote: Veni and Klaus,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I fully agree with all you have said. Instead on mission
>>>>>>> the HQ is planning how to "discipline" the chapters. I
>>>>>>> fully agree also what Klaus wrote regarding the funding and
>>>>>>> the AMS (clumsy, not effective, duplication of the
>>>>>>> administration etc.) A month ago cca 40 members of ISOC SI
>>>>>>> were deleted from AMS, because their renewal was not done
>>>>>>> on time!! When I asked the data to be recovered - the
>>>>>>> answer was that the data have been lost or somewhere
>>> 
>> 
>> - -- 
>> Grigori Saghyan
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