[Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

Tue Oct 22 05:41:18 PDT 2013

I had suggested in the past ie.  we revert back to before AMS ie

1. All chapters manage their own database
2. Chapters will then update AMS monthly/quarterly by uploading their members details
3. AMS is disabled to allow members to sign up directly but will point them to the approatiate chapter website to sign up

Cheers,

Julian Vincent
Chair
Malaysia Chapter
www.isoc.my

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From: Veni Markovski <veni at veni.com>
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 08:05:42 
To: Grigori Saghyan<gregor at arminco.com>; <chapter-delegates at elists.isoc.org>
Reply-To: veni at veni.com
Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Renewal Internet Society Chapter Charter

This is problematic, if you think about EU legislation, aiming exactly 
at hosting personal data on US servers...

v.

On 10/22/13 08:01, Grigori Saghyan wrote:
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> Dear All,
> May be  it is possible to bypass some of  legal problems  with AMS if
> each Chapter will sign an agreement with ISOC HQ for outsourcing
> database services for each Chapter.
> Grigori Saghyan
> ISOC.AM
>
>
> On 22.10.2013 15:41, Borka Jerman Blazic wrote:
>> I am confident too that the officers would like to help.
>>
>> First fix the technical issues. This must be easy (enable editing
>> in AMS, enable automatic renewal, enable reminder messages ect.,
>> make the AMS user friendly).  Make the funding of chapter  events
>> appropriate regarding the locations and regarding  the specified
>> Costs supported with relevant evidences (with some reasonable
>> restrictions). Make the EU regional Bureau   work with the
>> chapters, the week clippings are good but this is not what is
>> expected.  Then we may continue to other more difficult issues.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Borka
>>
>> p.s. I am not very sure that all these costly HQ surveys among the
>> membership provide sufficiently relevant information. So far no
>> evidence  of their usefulness!
>>
>> Dne 22.10.2013 12:23, piše Veni Markovski:
>>> If it was easy, we wouldn't be discussing it for so long, Carlos
>>> :) But then, if it was easy, it won't be fun.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am confident that Joyce and Ted, together with Jacek, and
>>> others at the HQ would figure out a safe exit (and certainly from
>>> the reaction to John More's email I see that chapters are
>>> positively looking towards helping the HQ.
>>>
>>>
>>> v.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/22/13 06:04, info at isoc.org.ec wrote:
>>>> As I see we have a mix of issues from operational ones to
>>>> sovereignty in different discussions in the list.
>>>>
>>>> Very complicated situation
>>>>
>>>> Carlos Vera
>>>>
>>>> Internet Society Ecuador www.isoc.org.ec Síguenos @isocec
>>>>
>>>>> El 22/10/2013, a las 3:39, Dick Kalkman <d.h.kalkman at isoc.nl>
>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Borka, Klaus and Veni,
>>>>>
>>>>> In The Netherlands we have much the same problems with the
>>>>> AMS system. An estimated near thousand member records are
>>>>> lost and/or corrupted. Maybe more, because who knows what
>>>>> happened before we recognized the problems? There are simply
>>>>> no activity logs on membership database mutations or just
>>>>> basic backups available to us.
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have the same problem that all our roll back /
>>>>> recovery requests to ISOC HQ only gave lots of tech talk but
>>>>> until now zero solutions. Even our positive response to the
>>>>> proposal from ISOC HQ to switch of the (for us useless)
>>>>> renewal function didn't result in any action. The only (sad)
>>>>> advantage is that the number of complains from our members on
>>>>> spamming by ISOC HQ are declining.
>>>>>
>>>>> The second main problem is that there is still no compliance
>>>>> (read compliance certification) to local law(-s). I'm very
>>>>> concerned with this situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that the new task force established to solve this,
>>>>> soon result in some improvements and we all can go back to
>>>>> our core activities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dick Kalkman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21-10-2013 7:06, borka at e5.ijs.si wrote: Veni and Klaus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I fully agree with all you have said. Instead on mission
>>>>>> the HQ is planning how to "discipline" the chapters. I
>>>>>> fully agree also what Klaus wrote regarding the funding and
>>>>>> the AMS (clumsy, not effective, duplication of the
>>>>>> administration etc.) A month ago cca 40 members of ISOC SI
>>>>>> were deleted from AMS, because their renewal was not done
>>>>>> on time!! When I asked the data to be recovered - the
>>>>>> answer was that the data have been lost or somewhere
>>
>
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> Grigori Saghyan
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